Partly true but not 100% due to the fact VW owns Porsche (VAG)What are you getting in a Porsche that you aren't getting in a Golf? Performance, handling, build quality, expertise. A mains cable is a mains cable.
Why did you say non-blind?I am trying to make sense of this statement. You have constructed a non-blind sound comparison which you claim was perfectly set up to demonstrate something, that you have not specified, and have also constructed imaginary people who are wasting time on "theoretical arguments" and have proved to your satisfaction that the imaginary people with the time-wasting arguments were wrong? Well done!
These are known physics, not science. There is no comprehensive science ... as self-evidenced by measurists making faulty claims on "science", ironically. E.g., LCR is unquestionably not the whole set of variables in any lines, signal or power.Speaker cables we know make a difference because they have a significant LCR, often by design as we know in the case of Naim and the Thiele network, and they are in the signal path. This is known science. However the talk here is of the mains cable to the server.
Because the operator knew which was which. But it could be single-blind if carefully done.Why did you say non-blind?
As described I believe it was single-blind and neither double-blind nor non-blind.Because the operator knew which was which. But it could be single-blind if carefully done.
Such confirmed observations may (or may not) become investigations that themselves eventually conclude with a science. Meanwhile they are observed, which is the point of improving audio realism. They don't need to be formally agreed to be observed.About 15 seconds into the second version he looked at me and did an ‘oh, wow’ sort of thing and said the difference was the same as he might expect with different speakers or other significant kit change. His unprompted description of what he was hearing was exactly the same as what I was hearing.
I’ve managed to stay away for ten pages, thereby avoiding sullying this thread (as I have done with many others) with discussing biases. But, this is one of my favourites and one of the lesser-known potentials for bias and one that I have seen in action. Pharma standard work was mentioned upthread, and in those, if anyone in the room knows (eg) what drug is being taken then the study is treated as not being blind (with only one possible exception I can think of).Why did you say non-blind?
There was an Everest mains conditioner in the system.Did they run this wonder system off the wall sockets in the room?
I’d rather have a nice chat about hifi and what might or might not constitute the best hifi system on earth.
I thought I was clear. There was no communication (verbal or non verbal) apart from saying ‘there are two options being played, do you hear a difference and if so what difference do you hear and which do you prefer’. Pretty simple really and as it turned out it was not a marginal difference according to my friend. No foot tapping from me, no eye contact, no me grinning inanely when I swopped over etc etc. No leading questionsI’ve managed to stay away for ten pages, thereby avoiding sullying this thread (as I have done with many others) with discussing biases. But, this is one of my favourites and one of the lesser-known potentials for bias and one that I have seen in action. Pharma standard work was mentioned upthread, and in those, if anyone in the room knows (eg) what drug is being taken then the study is treated as not being blind (with only one possible exception I can think of).
The potential bias here is my favourite - dominant participant bias. If someone in the room is (eg), older, wiser, better-qualified, louder, owns the kit or has a specific interest in the outcome, subconsciously there is a tendency for participants to agree with them (if they have expressed an opinion) or to comment in a way that would (they might believe) please them.
Ah, an Everest mains conditioner. My interest was really the power consumption, did all the guests' showers go cold when they switched it on?There was an Everest mains conditioner in the system.
And I will counter offer not to use Roon and thereby demonstrate a better and cheaper option!or the new CX100 along with a subscription to Roon & Tidal.
I like using it as well. Until the music starts playing.”stamps feet” But I like using roon “slams door and leaves thread”
1) <Bangs head on table>I did not tell my friend but the first time I used MinimServer on the server and MPD on the player. The second time I used LMS (Logitech Media Server) on the server and Squeezelite on the player.
About 15 seconds into the second version he looked at me and did an ‘oh, wow’ sort of thing and said the difference was the same as he might expect with different speakers or other significant kit change. His unprompted description of what he was hearing was exactly the same as what I was hearing.
I hope I wasn't insinuating that I believed it was fixed in any way and trhat your outcome wasn't valid. Not my intention which was - as I always try to do - to suggest what other factors could be at play. My experience would, however, take issue with a blank assertion that a "sighted" person was sure they had offered no non-verbal cues. As a species, we are remarkably sensitive to subconscious cues. Foot tapping and the like are the equivalent of a smack in the face with a wet fish in that world.I thought I was clear. There was no communication (verbal or non verbal) apart from saying ‘there are two options being played, do you hear a difference and if so what difference do you hear and which do you prefer’. Pretty simple really and as it turned out it was not a marginal difference according to my friend. No foot tapping from me, no eye contact, no me grinning inanely when I swopped over etc etc. No leading questions
Obviously it is accepted that it is all anecdotal but I partly wanted to share the experience to see how many people come out of the woodwork to say what we heard couldn’t happen, or we fooled ourselves.
I heard the Genelecs and they were impressive… not IMHO a worldbeater and I prefer my ATC SCM40A’s, but I could live with them!In that case i offer Genelec 8351b SAM active monitors set up with their GLM software and a streamer, probably a Cambridge Audio CXNxV2 or the new CX100 along with a subscription to Roon & Tidal.
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