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Is the Metropolitan Police institutionally corrupt?

Andrew C! said:
My experience of working amongst NHS management is not as fondly remembered. But this is a police corruption and crap performance thread, so I’ll stay on topic. FWIW I had a similar reputation when dealing with misconduct matters, not that that will mean anything.
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It was far from a fond remembrance. I’m not suggesting bullying, homophobia, racism etc is unique to the police service. Bullying is rife in the NHS. Nor was I surprised by the allegations uncovered in the fire service. Like the police, it is a historically male dominated profession and historically organised on quasi-militaristic lines, indeed part of its origins were as part of the police force.

But my substantive point is the disproportionate level of gross misconduct in the police force that seems to avoid dismissal. This article is a few years old now, but remains pertinent.

www.theguardian.com

Fewer than one in 10 police officers fired after gross misconduct finding

Figures from England and Wales raise questions about IOPC’s efficiency as police forces’ watchdog
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Finnegan said:
But my substantive point is the disproportionate level of gross misconduct in the police force that seems to avoid dismissal. This article is a few years old now, but remains pertinent.
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There is a very high bar to dismissal and inordinately complex procedures that don't exist elsewhere. We're only talking about thugs with few qualififcations too not even the higher echelons. I remember back in the 80s Anderton the Chief Constable of GMP used to present himself as Oliver Cromwell reincarnated!
 
Finnegan said:
But my substantive point is the disproportionate level of gross misconduct in the police force that seems to avoid dismissal. This article is a few years old now, but remains pertinent.
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Fully appreciate your point.

gavreid said:
There is a very high bar to dismissal and inordinately complex procedures that don't exist elsewhere.
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I have been left for 8 1/2 years, now, but my recollection (and from my conversations with ex-colleagues) is procedures have been noticeably freed up. Indeed, I recall in my time as a supervisor several cases being fast tracked - none of which made the news(obviously not regarding Met officers or staff)
 
Andrew C! said:
Fully appreciate your point.


I have been left for 8 1/2 years, now, but my recollection (and from my conversations with ex-colleagues) is procedures have been noticeably freed up. Indeed, I recall in my time as a supervisor several cases being fast tracked - none of which made the news(obviously not regarding Met officers or staff)
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I think by now you’ll be in little doubt of my view of the police. However, it has never been personally directed at individual officers, some of whom I’m sure joined up believing that they would be serving a socially useful function.

Have you been watching the current Scandi-drama Prisoner? Without giving any spoilers away, it concerns the process of how corruption becomes embedded and how, despite good intentions, banding together and covering each others arses becomes more important than adhering to procedure and doing the right thing.

www.bbc.co.uk

Prisoner - Series 1: Episode 1

Fresh out of training, new guard Sammi arrives at one of Denmark's older prisons.
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Finnegan said:
Have you been watching the current Scandi-drama Prisoner?
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I’ve not watched that. Too many policing series are too way off the mark for me. I did do consultancy after leaving service, so my CPD isn’t too out of date. Procedurally most British cop drama’s are way off, in this regard. FWIW my skill set was wide, including discipline, HR, PACE, public order, F/arms etc etc.

On a personal note, please accept my thanks for your objective writing in expressing your opinion, when responding to any of my posts. It’s much appreciated.
 
‘Police and other emergency services’ say the labels… the article is well worth reading in full.

’The IOPC said its investigations had shown the need for “clear, well-communicated guidance for police” that helped them identify cases where medical intervention was urgent and restraint posed a “clear and obvious danger”. It said it welcomed new research into use of the terms “to better understand how emergency services can respond appropriately and give the correct care”, but that any changes “must not undo the progress made”.

My recollection is use of force statements did use these terms in certain cases, but should then have gone on to be more detailed and explicit in any decisions arrived at. Clearly there are cases where this did not happen.
 
Only four out of 10 people in England say they trust the police, with the UK’s biggest force, the Metropolitan police, getting the lowest confidence score, research has found.

The poll surveyed nine English regions, in eight of which female respondents had greater trust in the police than male respondents. But for the Met in London, hit by a succession of scandals, women trusted Britain’s largest force less than men.

www.theguardian.com

Only 40% of people in England trust their police force, research reveals

Metropolitan police scores lowest in public confidence, with women trusting London officers even less than men
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Met police to pay ‘five-figure sum’ to French publisher arrested under anti-terror laws​

Exclusive: Ernest Moret was held en route to a book fair amid fears police are using counter-terrorism powers to target activists

A French publisher who was arrested in London on terrorism charges has been awarded “substantial” damages by the Metropolitan police, as new figures reveal thousands of foreign nationals have been stopped at UK ports under anti-terror laws.

The figures have deepened concerns that police are using counter-terrorism powers to target political activists.

www.theguardian.com

Met police to pay ‘five-figure sum’ to French publisher arrested under anti-terror laws

Ernest Moret was held en route to a book fair amid fears police are using counter-terrorism powers to target activists
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Why do the police not examine their behaviour because it is they who have the problems, it is they who have lost the respect of the public. They would do well to smarten up, provide razors to make sure the army are more presentable, reduce the number of bouncers and provide lessons on basic courtesy and how to address members of the public.

I recently received a voting form for the local police boss which I declined to complete in deference to a lady pushed over by a police thug in Norwich.

Respect is earnt but easily lost, its part of the police role to recover it.
 
Not sure how best to unpack that. But I do think that, if you have concerns about how the police are regulated, declining to vote for the person who holds the office of regulator isn't contributing to the solution.
 
It's a toothless role, the police are a closed shop, old boys network who'll always cover their arse first.
 
Sue Pertwee-Tyr said:
Not sure how best to unpack that. But I do think that, if you have concerns about how the police are regulated, declining to vote for the person who holds the office of regulator isn't contributing to the solution.
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I accept and expect such a comment but voting can mean approval and acceptance of quite appalling standards used and abused by the police. Kettling and horses used against harmless civilians acting peacefully... Why?

Being provided with a name on a voting slip means nothing , I do not require a possible right wing extremist in any position.
 
palacefan said:
Why do the police not examine their behaviour because it is they who have the problems, it is they who have lost the respect of the public. They would do well to smarten up, provide razors to make sure the army are more presentable, reduce the number of bouncers and provide lessons on basic courtesy and how to address members of the public.

I recently received a voting form for the local police boss which I declined to complete in deference to a lady pushed over by a police thug in Norwich.

Respect is earnt but easily lost, its part of the police role to recover it.
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It's not voting for the police boss, it's voting for the police and crime commissioner ( to be the voice of local people in policing and to hold the Chief Constable to account. The aim of all PCCs is to ensure the delivery of an effective and efficient police service within their force area.)
 
Ginger said:
It's not voting for the police boss, it's voting for the police and crime commissioner ( to be the voice of local people in policing and to hold the Chief Constable to account. The aim of all PCCs is to ensure the delivery of an effective and efficient police service within their force area.)
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Thank you for providing a title! our pcc did nothing to stop a local police thug push a women over in front of a police station nor did they do anything to stop police violence on women at Clapham nor did they do any thing to stop women being strip searched, too few decent people too many pseudo security /police/army/bouncers.
 
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