Unfortunately these days with endless ways to make yourself look a right tw*t online you're bound to come a cropper at some point. Back in the day you probably didn't get to hear the ins and outs of every pop/rock star's political and social opinions, mainly puff pieces printed in naff music mags asking them what they had for tea or what their favourite colour is.
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artoly
pfm Member
So true....That made me smile, imagining some of the old rockers I listened to having a political platform that was so accessible. I think we might have dodged a bullet.
paulfromcamden
Baffled
It's a tragedy the interwebs came too late for Woody Guthrie. Now we'll never know what his politics were.
Wolfmancatsup
Empire State Human
russel
./_dazed_and_confused
One of my colleagues was a taxi driver in London during his studies there, he refused to take fares to Brixton after being mugged once and the fare ran off without paying second time, both times he was subject to racial abuse blaming him for the slave trade. He’s from Ghana.
PaulMB
pfm Member
Perhaps not. He might have spent all his time in front of a computer instead of writing and playing music. On the other hand we might know more about socialist thinking in the American context.
mikeyb
pfm Member
anubisgrau
pfm Member
Haha.
Good to know to avoid stepping in Frankfurt and leaving any money there. Apartheid apologists!
Good to know to avoid stepping in Frankfurt and leaving any money there. Apartheid apologists!
graystoke4
pfm Member
Hi, even with the internet, I'm still not Shure if Ted Nugent, is Pro gun or not, 
No, they’re correct: Waters is definitely an anti-Semite in the generally accepted sense of the word. His views on the Palestine-Israel mess may be on the right side morally, but he gets there from an anti-Jewish racism, not from any sense of seeing right and wrong. His stance on Russia-Ukraine shows that there’s no underlying principle at work here, except some conspiracist bullshit about New World Order (a fellow traveller of anti-Jewish persecution).
You are making an error to assume that because Frankfurt’s city government opposes anti-semitism, that it automatically supports the actions of the Israeli government. It is possible to oppose both. I do, for instance.
For the record, I believe the State of Israel has the right to exist, that the Jewish people should have a homeland, and I believe antisemitism is a real thing and hasn’t gone away. I also believe that the current government of the State of Israel is barbaric and militaristic and survives through a policy of instilling fear of Arab reprisal in the electorate and presenting itself as the only solution to that threat, despite its own actions being the cause of much of the grievances.
I see little difference between Putin and Netanyahu as politicians. Nationalist strongmen who whip up racist sentiment for political gain.
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
Hi, even with the internet, I'm still not Shure if Ted Nugent, is Pro gun or not,
I thought he was more of a bow and arrow guy.
There's a few on here like that
mykel
Perpetual Hack.
Hi, even with the internet, I'm still not Shure if Ted Nugent, is Pro gun or not,
Paedo-Ted Poopy-Pants is an anti-Semitic right wing gun nut? Oh noes, say it's not true.
Cheese
Bitter lover
Where is this written ? Being in favour of the creation of a State of Palestine is not antisemitic, but that's only me.
Actually, it’s not only you, it’s me too - I said so.
This is exactly the point I was trying to make: It is possible to be a supporter of the (just and right) cause of the Palestinian people because you’re an anti-semitic prick, and seeing a nation run by Jews behaving so badly reinforces your own prejudices. Or you can be a supporter of the Palestinian claim because you recognise injustice when you see it, without extending the reasonable critiques that “Israel’s current government are populist hate-mongering assholes” and “The illegal settlers in Israel are a religious supremacist movement that would not be tolerated or encouraged by any just government” into the racist statement that “Jews are bad”.
PaulMB
pfm Member
I would think that his heavy-handed, vulgar and offensive attitude to Israel (pigs with stars of David, comparing Israel to the Nazis, etc.) can easily lead one to suppose he embraces the usual anti-Jewish conspiracy theories. But probably he is not too bright, has not studied or thought through the situation in and around Israel, and uses it as just grist to the mill of his own vanity. Most people would have forgotten who he was without all this song-and-dance. Why else would he get the Russians to invite him to (completely pointlessly) present his learned "analysis of the situation" in Ukraine to the UN? I've never met him, but he seems like a nasty piece of work.
No, I’d heard the nonsense about Jews before Putin invaded Ukraine. I am, however, willing to accept that his very clear love of controversy and attention has blinded him to the message he’s conveying, though, but the first impression is the one I stated above.
… and anti-imperialism and antisemitism are different viewpoints too. Yes, there is some crossover between the anti-imperialist Left and conspiracist garbage about the Rothschilds and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (for instance that one guy in my home city who keeps sticking flyers up about this stuff everywhere - during COVID it was all anti-vax stuff; I’d like to think some desk-jockey in the Lubyanka is lobbing him a couple of hundred quid a month to do this, because the alternative is he’s mentally ill)
I’m not a fan of either Mick Wallace (one of my MEPs) or Clare Daly (no i), who are very much in the mouth-first-then-brain end of the Irish delegation (Ming Flanagan is another prize specimen, although he at least has the decency to never show up for work), and while both are very much pro-Palestinian, neither has crossed the line into antisemitism.
anubisgrau
pfm Member
I trust you do, but German government and German mainstream politicians generally do not oppose (enough) the actions of Israeli governments. For various reasons, but easy to see why. They don't want to be seen as someone who is critical of anything Jewish, including the state.