A thread to catalogue the eloquence, dignity, diplomacy and wisdom of Boris Johnson II
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deanf
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My thinking too. So much of what is happening now is to appease the right. The next will be their fourth consecutive PM, parties tend to get a bit nastier with time and very rarely save the best ‘till last!
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
The more Mogg speaks the weirder he is revealed to be. He’s obviously infatuated with Johnson. Westminster has become all about Johnson, his survival and by association, there’s. The rest of the country, the NHS, business, ordinary voters can go and **** themselves.
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
I think many people could interpret this also as saying: “The PM is such a big figure that he doesn’t need the support of the humble electorate”.
paulfromcamden
Baffled
Mogg is often accusing of being a weird Victorian throwback but I think feudal is nearer the mark.
PsB
Citizen of Nowhere™
This would suggest that, come the ides of March, JRM plans to be on the dagger-wielding side.
Either that, or he is just from a different planet.
My partner was at university with him, she just thinks he was/is obnoxious.
TheDecameron
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Yup, it’s a very thin veneer of civility along with that right wing exaggerated sense of propriety. Of course they don’t observe proprieties themselves- how could they when they are siphoning off billions into the pockets of their friends, lying to the public and breaking the law? It’s just that they expect everyone else not to swear when they see it.
Tony L
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Rees Mogg’s, like Johnson’s, is a remarkably thin veneer. I’ve seen the spoilt entitled bullies lying just beneath the surface emerge when pushed by the right interviewer. They are both total con-artists IMHO. The worst type of spiv.
The Far North
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I think Cabinet members will be briefing that her report will say he has been unwise, but he had no bad intent, so a mere slap on the knuckles. This is enough to have the spineless all saying they want to wait on the report being published, which is just self-preservation. Apparently Ms Gray is to interview Cummings today, so that's probably the key evidence in her investigation if he can show hard copy of emails warning Boris.
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
It might be worth looking at the book co-authored by his father that was mentioned in the excellent podcast “The Coming Storm”.
In the “Sovereign Individual” William Rees Moog suggests that the Information Revolution will have similar effects and consequences as the Industrial Revolution in that just as the printing press ushered in a transition of power and influence from the Church to the Nation State, so the IT revolution will see a transition of power an influence from the Nation State to the Sovereign individual. Capital and violence alongside information and myths are the mechanisms by which each institution establishes then maintains its dominance.
One of the consequences of the breakdown of the nation state is that the Sovereign individual will have greater need of tax havens and that in the age of “voluntary” taxation, recipients of charity will need to appeal to private individuals (not big government), and will need to appear morally deserving.
JRM is placing himself in an apex position to benefit from the transition of power and influence from the Nation State to people like him
Jacob Rees Mogg might not be showing contempt for ordinary people so much as seeing them in relation to his own place in his father’s political determinism.
Which makes his views even more reprehensible and dangerous than mere contempt.
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MVV
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My guess is that the tight remit of the Gray report will mean that the presentation of ‘the facts’ will leave room for it to be presented as a exoneration on one side and an indictment on the other so everyone will just lose interest in this fortnight of bickering.
Oddly the Wakeford defection and Davies intervention have strengthened Johnson’s position as pigs don’t like people threatening their trough and one thing it proves is self interest trumps integrity.
In the end stringing it out and boring the **** out of people always works if you have power and no conscience as our news industry relies on novelty.
Oddly the Wakeford defection and Davies intervention have strengthened Johnson’s position as pigs don’t like people threatening their trough and one thing it proves is self interest trumps integrity.
In the end stringing it out and boring the **** out of people always works if you have power and no conscience as our news industry relies on novelty.
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
Mogg is a living fossil from an era when manual workers were viewed with suspicion for their latent fecklessness and immorality, where the principal downside of industrialisation was realising you were now surrounded by hoards of masterless men and that the law had to be applied differently to those from servantless households.
In Boris, Jacob saw much to be admired.
In Boris, Jacob saw much to be admired.
ks.234
Half way to Infinity
The Sovereign Individual makes this explicit….
It may have been half-credible to suppose that a barely literate auto worker had been somehow “exploited” in the production of a car by the owners. The crucial role of conceptual capital was less obvious than in the Information Age, which clearly involves mental work…In fact, far from assuming that the workers created all value, as Marxists and socialists did throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, the obvious and growing trend away from unskilled employment gave rise to a spreading worry about the opposite problem — whether unskilled laborers still had any economic contribution left to make.
The Far North
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A small piece of history from today's Guardian interview with Lorraine Kelly https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...ine-kelly-on-tough-interviews-and-going-rogue
She may also have a point about the leader of the opposition.
She may also have a point about the leader of the opposition.
There is a part of me that wishes Angela Rayner was still lobbing the (verbal) grenades at Boris at PMQs - I think she has got over her "scum" outburst to develop into quite an impressive parliamentary performer. Starmer tries his best but I didn't see him exciting the masses on the benches behind him quite like Rayner (IMHO) would have done.
Spraggons Den
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He can't be super rich with that haircut.Mogg is a living fossil from an era when manual workers were viewed with suspicion for their latent fecklessness and immorality, where the principal downside of industrialisation was realising you were now surrounded by hoards of masterless men and that the law had to be applied differently to those from servantless households.
In Boris, Jacob saw much to be admired.
Enfield boy
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Had to go to Eton, at any decent school he'd have had seven shades of sh!t kicked out of him for looking like that!
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
Nanny probably did it, with the ancestral scissors which date from medieval times and are a bit blunt.
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