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Continued decrease in people with covid in England, but really kind of hovering at 100K a day, or rather slowly coming down from a higher figure towards the end of July.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...viruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/20august2021

I suppose that as there’s increasing immunity in the population, you’d expect the numbers to slowly decline like this.

I just read this comment on today’s Guardian live feed and I said to myself that it couldn’t possibly be true

. . .It comes after Covid restrictions were relaxed last month, with no dramatic subsequent changes to infection . . . rates.
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But I checked and it may not be far from the truth, hard to say. But one thing seems clear: Freedom Day was a good idea.
 
mandryka said:
Continued decrease in people with covid in England, but really kind of hovering at 100K a day, maybe slowly coming down from a higher figure towards the end of July.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...viruscovid19infectionsurveypilot/20august2021

I just read this comment on today’s Guardian live feed and I said to myself that it couldn’t possibly be true



But I checked and it may not be far from the truth, hard to say. But one thing seems clear: Freedom Day was a good idea.
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Why do you think they chose the school holidays? I remember the BS was something like there has to be an 'exit peak' so it might as well be now...
 
Some good news w.r.t. treatment of Covid:

https://www.researchprofessionalnew...me-uk-approval-of-covid-19-antibody-cocktail/

A bit more information from the .gov website:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...tment-for-covid-19-approved-for-use-in-the-uk

But it looks like more work needs to be done to work out how the monoclonal antibodies will be used as the trials were conducted before widespread distribution of the vaccine had occurred:

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...pproves-first-of-its-kind-antibody-treatment/
 
IanW said:
Some good news w.r.t. treatment of Covid:

https://www.researchprofessionalnew...me-uk-approval-of-covid-19-antibody-cocktail/

A bit more information from the .gov website:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...tment-for-covid-19-approved-for-use-in-the-uk

But it looks like more work needs to be done to work out how the monoclonal antibodies will be used as the trials were conducted before widespread distribution of the vaccine had occurred:

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...pproves-first-of-its-kind-antibody-treatment/
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Trials of this or a similar monoclonal antibody pair in the US showed no reduction in deaths from Covid. For an expensive agent, one requiring injection and close monitoring for not inconsequential side effects, reduction in duration of hospital stay and duration of symptoms is a fairly marginal benefit. If it was a pill with a good side effect profile and of reasonable cost, that would be a different ball game.

The story for convalescent serum ( real antibodies harvested from people who had Covid) was similarly disappointing. Covid is a potentially fatal disease and the big prize is stopping people from dying.
OK there’s the use for Covid prevention in high risk populations such as nursing homes but hasn’t that been addressed by vaccination?
 
TheDecameron said:
Trials of this or a similar monoclonal antibody pair in the US showed no reduction in deaths from Covid. For an expensive agent, one requiring injection and close monitoring for not inconsequential side effects, reduction in duration of hospital stay and duration of symptoms is a fairly marginal benefit. If it was a pill with a good side effect profile and of reasonable cost, that would be a different ball game.

The story for convalescent serum ( real antibodies harvested from people who had Covid) was similarly disappointing. Covid is a potentially fatal disease and the big prize is stopping people from dying.
OK there’s the use for Covid prevention in high risk populations such as nursing homes but hasn’t that been addressed by vaccination?
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I think mostly intended for those who don’t get much of an immune response from the vaccines. AZ have just achieved something similar:

https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-c...2-prophylaxis-trial-met-primary-endpoint.html
 
TheDecameron said:
Trials of this or a similar monoclonal antibody pair in the US showed no reduction in deaths from Covid. For an expensive agent, one requiring injection and close monitoring for not inconsequential side effects, reduction in duration of hospital stay and duration of symptoms is a fairly marginal benefit. If it was a pill with a good side effect profile and of reasonable cost, that would be a different ball game.

The story for convalescent serum ( real antibodies harvested from people who had Covid) was similarly disappointing. Covid is a potentially fatal disease and the big prize is stopping people from dying.
OK there’s the use for Covid prevention in high risk populations such as nursing homes but hasn’t that been addressed by vaccination?
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AZ seems to have some new drug on the way...
 
gavreid said:
You still haven't got it - schools are the driver of infection...
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There's plenty of headroom in the hospitals, at least outside of hotspots. Unless you're going to argue that they should keep kids at home to let the backlog reduce -- that will be an interesting argument to see (as opposed to an assertion, which wouldn't be at all interesting.)
 
mandryka said:
There's plenty of headroom in the hospitals, at least outside of hotspots. Unless you're going to argue that they should keep kids at home to let the backlog reduce -- that will be an interesting argument to see (as opposed to an assertion, which wouldn't be at all interesting.)
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You still haven't got it! When kids get infected older people die. Some of the kids do too and even more get very, very ill and for a long time.
 
gavreid said:
You still haven't got it! When kids get infected older people die. Some of the kids do too and even more get very, very ill and for a long time.
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Might as well shout that we should lock down hard because if not . . . older people die. That would be strange, because not locking down is so much better than not locking down -- avoid lock down if you can.

There's plenty of headroom in the hospitals. There's clearly a cost, and there's an enormous benefit, to keeping the children in school. Looks to me as though Long Covid is less of a problem for children than was feared.
 
mandryka said:
Might as well shout that we should lock down hard because if not . . . older people die. That would be strange, because not locking down is so much better.

There's plenty of headroom in the hospitals. There's clearly a cost, and there's an enormous benefit, to keeping the children in school. Looks to me as though Long Covid is less of a problem than was feared.
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Don't put the dunce's cap on again - we know that the Government has spent on the order of diddly squat on ventilation this year calender year. There's all sorts of things that could be done but without those lockdown might be the only alternative.
 
gavreid said:
There's all sorts of things that could be done but without those lockdown might be the only alternative.
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I think that the Government's thought is that yes, it would be better to have ventilation in terms of incidence, probably. But it's not necessary -- we can cope well enough without it.
 
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