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Coronavirus - the new strain XX

Discussion in 'off topic' started by gavreid, Jul 22, 2021.

  1. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    Schools have been out for a while now
     
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  2. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I’m no epidemiologist, but I suspect viruses are more driven by transmission, replication and mutation than the politics of Citizen Smith.
     
  3. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    I thought it was the judean people's front ;)
     
  4. billo

    billo pfm Member

    With any luck it may be just a small flight away for both of them to share a plane ride.
    All together now..........
    "A long, long time ago
    I can still remember how that music
    Used to make me smile"
     
  5. matt j

    matt j pfm Member

    About 75/25% ish in favour of no mask at my local Tesco just now, I didn't think it would be as high as that. No staff wearing them either. I reckon this is well and truly done in the mind of most folk.
     
  6. PsB

    PsB Citizen of Nowhere™

    End of the Wembley/Euro 2020 blip?
     
  7. paulfromcamden

    paulfromcamden Baffled

    Don't know. Would that explain why it looks so different to the rest of the UK?
     
  8. mandryka

    mandryka pfm Member

    Schools have been closed for about a month. It's all good, it's what we can expect to see here I guess.
     
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  9. mandryka

    mandryka pfm Member

    Don't confuse the virus with the epidemic.

    The epidemic is the interaction of the virus with a society.
     
  10. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    Oh Gav, they’ve got you: you made a Judean People’s Front joke! Next you’ll be saying you just want the grown-ups back in charge, and accusing people of being Trumpian, and worrying about Putin. I knew iSage was a liberal gateway drug!

    Anyway, here you both are, avid watchers of iSage’s YouTube channel, and the idea that epidemics take place in society, and track social inequalities, and that issues like sick pay, health care funding and workplace safety are key to how it all works, is a novel idea to you - laughable in fact. Good job iSage! A tribute to the power of Shadow Governance.
     
  11. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    I don't think the Government has ever conceded that cases are driven by schools - we've always had the fairy tale of schools reflecting cases in broader society...
     
  12. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Classic Johnson, “the government will respond with its proposals for their pingdemic by 10pm tonight”. Behind events, leading from the back
     
  13. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK I had amnesia once or twice...

    Quite.
     
  14. mandryka

    mandryka pfm Member

    Yes they have, or at least in one of the press conferences recently Whitty or Van Dam talked about how schools closing is expected to effect the curve.

    By the way, I think their claim in the past was that incidence among teaching staff reflected the incidence in their community . . . nuance . . . please . . .
     
  15. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    I don’t think anyone credible has ever claimed that schools don’t make a pretty solid contribution to R. There’s a lot of ground between “Has no effect” and “Key driver” but for some it’s all or nothing.
     
  16. tiggers

    tiggers pfm Member

    Oh, the irony!!
     
  17. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    As I’ve said countless times I don’t deny any of those factors, and please remember I live right in the middle of this in one of the poorest and hardest hit areas of the country. Ok, I’m personally middle-class, comfortable, independent, and a bloody liberal, but I still see what is happening every time I open my front door.

    I just find your continual conspiracy-theorising and hate-mongering the motives of i_Sage so utterly preposterous I can only really respond with piss taking. It’s all that is left.

    PS There is a giant meteorite hurtling towards earth… Quick, call Jeremy Corbyn!
     
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  18. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    This doesn’t make a lick of sense.
     
  19. Debs

    Debs pfm Member

    Simplistically?

    The Immune System divides into (effectively) 2 types of cell. Those that re-cirulate between the bloodstream and the lymphatic system, and those that do not re-circulate, but reside in the Lymph Nodes.

    The latter are B Cells. It is these cells that produce anti-bodies. A given B Cell clone will produce a single anti-body type against a specific antigen.

    It is quite normal for the anti-body titre in the blood to reduce over time - if there is no infection, there is no point in these cells producing anti-bodies. However, once you have produced a clonal B cell line, it remains ready to explode into, not only anti-body production, but also explode into clonal expansion (it's why you get inflamed and swollen lymph nodes upon an infection). This is one of the things that vaccines do - they influence the formation of clonal cell lines. And, indeed, we refer to these clonal lines as 'Memory B Cells'.

    The re-circulating cells are T Cells. These are Immune cells that are processed in the Thymus (hence the name). Without going into it too deeply, you have Cytotoxic T Cells that recognise foreign antigens on host cells (ie infected cells) and kill them, as well as Th Cells (T Helper Cells) that find foreign antigens and 'present' them to the B Cells (thus enhancing B Cell response).

    Certainly the Pfizer vaccine has been shown to elicit a good T Cell response over and above an anti-body response.

    So it's not all about anti-bodies per sé.
     
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  20. hc25036

    hc25036 pfm Member

    Thanks - simple enough even for a biochemist ;)
     

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