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The end of the UK(?)

tones said:
Not quite, but potentially disastrous enough. The US wanted UK IP laws to be changed to be closer to US laws. This included the requirement of a grace period (a period within which an invention can be worked publicly without jeopardising patent rights - one year in the USA). This is contrary to the absolute novelty requirements of the European Patent Convention of which the UK remains a member (the EPC is not an EU body - the likes of Norway, Turkey and iceland are members and Switzerland is a founder member), and would make the UK's continued membership impossible. The Chartered Institute was so concerned that it and the UK's Industry IP commissioned a report as to the value of EPC membership to the UK. This report came out strongly for continued membership, and Boris has said that the UK would remain in the EPC. (Of course, this was the man who said "F*** business", so one never knows).

One interesting aspect - the UK was supposed to be free of foreign courts, but is subject to the decisions of the EPO Boards of Appeal. Perhaps the Daily Express hasn't heard of that one...
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No, I commented on what happened in the TPP negotiations for the Pacific countries. The USA was trying to put the agreement into a position where they could force all the small countries away from China and under their IPR control. Most SE Asian countries try very hard to be neutral.
 
ks.234 said:

20 Years of Fake EU Headlines - The British Press has much to blame for ANTI-EU sentiments.

  • EC regulations to ban playgrounds – Daily Express
  • Rolling acres outlawed by Brussels – The Telegraph
  • EU to scrap British exams – Sunday Express
  • Obscure EU law halting the sale of English oak seeds – Mail on Sunday
  • EU may try to ban sweet and toy ads – The Times
  • EU to tell British farmers what they can grow – Daily Mail
  • EU ‘Bans Boozing’ – Daily Star
  • Light ale to be forced to change its name by Eurocrats – Daily Mail
  • EU fanatics to be forced to sing dire anthem about EU ‘Motherland’ – The Sun
  • British apple trees facing chop by EU – The Times
  • EC plan to ban noisy toys – Sunday People
  • EU to ban bagpipes and trapeze artists – The Sun
  • Children to be banned from blowing up balloons, under EU safety rules – Daily Telegraph
  • Straight cucumbers – The Sun
  • Curved bananas banned by Brussels bureaucrats – The Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express
  • Brussels bans barmaids from showing cleavage – The Sun, Daily Telegraph
  • Rumpole’s wig to scrapped by EU – Mail on Sunday
  • Church bells silenced by fear of EU law – Daily Telegraph
  • Motorists to be charged to drive in city centres under EU plans – Daily Telegraph
  • EU to stop binge drinking by slapping extra tax on our booze – The Sun
  • Brandy butter to be renamed ‘brandy spreadable fat’ – The European
  • British loaf of bread under threat from EU – Daily Mail
  • Truckers face EU ban on fry-ups – The Sun
  • EU to ban Union Flag from British meat packs – Daily Express
  • EU seeks to outlaw 60 dog breeds – Europa News Agency
  • Double-decker buses to be banned – Daily Telegraph
  • EU bans eating competition cakes – Timesonline
  • Now EU officials want control of your CANDLES – Daily Express
  • 21-gun salutes are just too loud, Brussels tells the Royal Artillery – Mail on Sunday
  • Brussels threatens charity shops and car boot sales – Daily Mail
  • Plot to axe British number plates for standardised EU design – Daily Express
  • Women to be asked intimate details about sex lives in planned EU census – Daily Express
  • British cheese faces extinction under EU rules – PA News
  • EU meddlers ban kids on milk rounds – The Sun, The Telegraph
  • British chocolate to be renamed ‘vegelate’ under EU rules – Daily Mail
  • EU to ban church bells – Daily Telegraph
  • British film producers warn of new EU threat to industry – The Independent
  • Kilts to be branded womenswear by EU – Daily Record
  • EU to ban double decker buses – Daily Mail
  • Cod to be renamed ‘Gadus’ thanks to EU – Daily Mail
  • Brussels to restrict drinking habits of Britain’s coffee lovers – Daily Express
  • EU responsible for your hay fever – Daily Mail, The Times
  • Condom dimensions to be harmonised – Independent on Sunday
  • EU wants to BAN your photos of the London Eye – Daily Express
  • Corgis to be banned by EU – Daily Mail
  • EU forcing cows to wear nappies – Daily Mail
  • Eurocrats to ban crayons and colouring pencils – The Sun
  • Smoky bacon crisps face EU ban – Sunday Times
  • EU outlaws teeth whitening products – Daily Mail
  • Domain names – ‘.uk’ to be replaced by ‘.eu’ – Daily Mail
  • Brussels to ban HGV drivers from wearing glasses – The Times
  • New eggs cannot be called eggs – Daily Mail
  • EU to ban selling eggs by the dozen – Daily Mail
  • UK to be forced to adopt continental two pin plug – Daily Star, Daily Mail
  • EU targets traditional Sunday roast – Sun on Sunday
  • English Channel to be re-named ‘Anglo-French Pond’ – Daily Mail
  • Brussels to force EU flag on England shirts – Daily Mail
  • EU orders farmers to give toys to pigs – The Times
  • Firemen’s poles outlawed by EU – Daily Mail
  • Euro ban on food waste means swans cannot be fed – The Observer
  • Noise regulations to force football goers to wear earplugs – The Sun
  • Traditional Irish funeral under threat from EU – Daily Telegraph, The Times
  • EU to ban high-heel shoes for hairdressers – Daily Express
  • Commission to force fishermen to wear hairnets – Daily Telegraph
  • Brussels to ban herbal cures – Daily Express
  • Bureaucrats declare Britain is “not an island”– the Guardian
  • EU bid to ban life sentences for murderers – Daily Express
  • New EU map makes Kent part of France – Sunday Telegraph
  • EU tells Welsh how to grow their leeks – The Times
  • EU to ban lollipop ladies’ sticks – News of the World
  • EU plot to rename Trafalgar Square & Waterloo station – Daily Express
  • UK milk ‘pinta’ threatened by Brussels – The Sun
  • EU bans ‘mince’ pies – Daily Mail
  • Eurocrats say Santa must be a woman – The Sun
  • Now EU crackpots demand gypsy MPs – Daily Express
  • Brussels to outlaw mushy peas – The Sun, Daily Mail, Telegraph, Times
  • Brussels says shellfish must be given rest breaks on journeys – The Times
  • Pets must be pressure cooked after death – Sunday Telegraph
  • EU puts speed limit on children’s roundabouts – Daily Express
  • 2-for-1 bargains to be scrapped by EU – Daily Mirror
  • EU madness: chat up bar girl and pub will be fined – Daily Star
  • Queen to be forced to get her own tea by EU – The Sun
  • EU tells women to hand in worn-out sex toys – The Sun
  • British rhubarb to be straight – The Sun
  • EU to ban rocking horses – The Sun
  • Scotch whisky rebranded a dangerous chemical by EU – Daily Telegraph
  • Brussels ban on pints of shandy – The Times
  • “High up” signs to be put on mountains – BBC
  • Euronotes cause impotence – Daily Mail
  • EU to ban under 16-year-olds from using Facebook – Daily Mail
  • Strawberries must be oval – The Sun
  • EU orders swings to be pulled down – Daily Express
  • Tea bags banned from being recycled – BBC
  • British lav to be replaced with Euro-loo – The Sun
  • Unwanted Valentine’s cards to be defined as sexual harrasment – Daily Telegraph
  • Bosses to be told what colour carpets to buy by EU – Daily Star
  • EU says British yoghurt to be renamed ‘Fermented Milk Pudding’ – Sunday Mirror
  • EU to ban zipper trousers – The Sun
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Yeahbut...apart from ALL that...
 
Vinny said:
Not sure that I have grasped what you mean.
England cannot stop an independant Scotland doing anything and a Scotland that is still part of the UK will not be allowed into the EU - that has been workd around already. Going back into the EU for the whole of the UK would cost an absolute fortune, far more than when we left, because the UK would never get the deal that it had, and it would mean using the Euro.
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By "bars that" I mean that the UK (Government) refuses to allow the Scots to hold another IndyRef or allow it to leave the UK if that voted 'leave'.

As has others have pointed out a *Key* factor during the previous IndyRef was that we were told that if we voted to leave the UK we'd be kicked out of - and excluded from rejoining - the EU. I'm quite sure that affected the vote of many. As bourne out by opinion since our being dragged out of the EU.
 
davidsrsb said:
No, I commented on what happened in the TPP negotiations for the Pacific countries. The USA was trying to put the agreement into a position where they could force all the small countries away from China and under their IPR control. Most SE Asian countries try very hard to be neutral.
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It is certainly true that IP laws more in line with the US concepts were part of the TPP. However, the whole point of the TPP was the exclusion of China, so that it wouldn't have a hegemony.

Mind you, nobody in their right mind would want the US patent system!
 
Colin Barron said:
Independence may be the key to UK power shortages as the Chinese buy up Scotland and build a few coal power stations. None of this dangerous Nuclear stuff, although only the old would remain as the young head south for jobs.
In the real world away from pipe dreams, rising unemployment and economic woes following covid will calm threats of independence.
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I tend to take a different view as I can see the rise in efficiency, etc, of various sources of energy - wind, hydro, tidal, even solar. And the reality is that vast areas of Scotland are owned by 'offshore corporations' now. Which the UK Government support because the rich who bankroll them use this as one of their tax dodges, etc.

TBH If someone lives outwith Scotland and has no real idea of feelings here I think a good straw in the wind would be to look at the recent TV 'party political broadcast' the Scottish Green Party used a few days ago. Young 'performance poet'. Probably the most impressive PPB I've seen in years and probably sums up what younger people in particular may feel here now. Even the humour about "Eat the rich". :)
 
andyoz said:
It's inevitable for a few reasons but one is demographics. The younger ones up here in the North seem to want a united Ireland and you can't fight demographics.

NI has never been more isolated really than it is now. Compared to pre-Brexit referendum the Jeannie is out of the bottle with the ones in Westminster. Most never knew what went on politically and now they do. So they must be saying...why are we sending so much Public money over the prop up THAT..
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You could get a big red bus and paint the figure - or a multiple, that would be much better - on the side.
 
HarryCrumb said:
It does feel that with every new generation that comes through, Scotland gets closer to voting for independence. Identity politics is probably fuelling that fire also. I've always thought of myself as British, and feel that the UK is very tightly made up of Scots, Irish, Welsh and English, but this is just mushy, exaggerated and self-indulgent sentimentality from my aching heart.
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The problem is that for the Scots I suspect 'British' has increasingly seemed to be characterised by Toryism, Tax Dodging, Rich non-doms getting the policies that suit them in exchange for supporting said Tories, cutting social programs, etc. i.e. I'm all right, B88ger you. Not all Scots feel this way, but I think the number has risen steadily now that we've had years of Tory and neo-Tory UK Government and its consequences. From Grenville Tower to Cronyism, with all stops in between.

It isn't a 'union' when one part takes on the role of a dog, making the other feel like its tail. Getting what it is "allowed", etc.
 
Colin Barron said:
I see Liz has applied to join the CPTPP. No federal union dictatorship, no bus load of cash every week and free trade. Contrast this with our EU trading partners taking truckers sandwiches.
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Swine fever's rumbling all round the world, the last epidemic here was traced to one discarded ham sandwich from Thailand.

It's not much fun watching your whole pig herd being culled; we had a reminder ten years later when a new road was built and had to cut through the mass grave.

20 staff from Defra in full hazmat suits bagging up and sealing the remains for disposal

I like a bent cucumber just as much as anyone but some rules have a purpose.
 
Jim Audiomisc said:
As has others have pointed out a *Key* factor during the previous IndyRef was that we were told that if we voted to leave the UK we'd be kicked out of - and excluded from rejoining - the EU
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That is a very considerable "mis-remembering".

If Scotland had left the union, there was no way anyone could out and out refuse them entry to the EU. What WAS pointed out was that to join the EU, Scotland would have to accept the Euro and it would not get the same deal as that which they had as part of the UK (it could only ever be less attractive).

That apart, Scots may hate the Tories governing them, but the Scots forced Labour upon the English many a time and I do not recall any English bitching when that did happen. What goes around, comes around.
 
Dougie2404 said:
I don't often disagree with you Steve, but on this I must. I really think that 40 odd years of these head lines had a great deal to do with Brexit. Ok possibly only with the simple minded but it would appear the they were in the majority.
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Dougie, I was being sarcastic - it's the go-to reply from one or two on here. I agree with you, it's quite obvious it has taken root and very deeply. Hence the quote from Mencken.
 
Steve I'm a typical Scot, we jump on everything given the opportunity, sorry I didn't mean to offend(again).
 
Vinny said:
That is a very considerable "mis-remembering".

If Scotland had left the union, there was no way anyone could out and out refuse them entry to the EU. What WAS pointed out was that to join the EU, Scotland would have to accept the Euro and it would not get the same deal as that which they had as part of the UK (it could only ever be less attractive).

That apart, Scots may hate the Tories governing them, but the Scots forced Labour upon the English many a time and I do not recall any English bitching when that did happen. What goes around, comes around.
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On the upside the Euro would sort out the Scots not having their own currency. Anyone have any idea of the positive contribution size to the EU coffers?
 
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