Andrew C!
Been around a while....
PS - don't ask the police to 'police' this - its a trading standards or council issue IMV.
Coronavirus - the new strain XII
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PS - don't ask the police to 'police' this - its a trading standards or council issue IMV.
russel
./_dazed_and_confused
The whole point of lockdown is to reduce transmission, the less people are in contact or around each other the quicker the virus dies down. So allowing the shops to sell everything dropped cases to a low level, it will be quicker to get to that point if there is a lockdown plus shops are allowed to sell a limited range of goods, do you understand now?
It'll make virtually zero difference as well you know and if one of your chums had posted it you'd have said nothing! Now go away!
russel
./_dazed_and_confused
What do you mean it will make virtually no difference?, if you halve the time people spend in shops you halve the transmission in shops to a first approximation.
Cav
pfm Member
It is the number in the shop at any one time that is important, not the length of time spent in it. Perhaps shoppers should be limited to 30 minutes maximum shopping time?
Cav
pfm Member
The policeman in question was not applying the law which never defined "essential".
Scientific studies (especially a large one conducted in France - link was upthread a few weeks ago) have found that transmission rates in stores if most people are following the guidelines (masks etc.) are virtually zero whereas home, offices, bars, restaurants, schools and universities are a long way from zero. So yes, you're right, half of virtually zero is a bit less than virtually zero... excellent work!
In relative and absolute terms banning the sale of non-essential goods from shops that are open is pedantic bollocks!It's not about halving the time spent in supermarkets. It's about cutting down on non essential shopping trips like buying christmas decorations or other daft stuff people go out and buy willy-nilly.
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
So they all lose out to Amazon or the other Internet retailer of choice.
stephen bennett
Mr Enigma
So, ‘front line’ workers will get ‘a jab’ before Christmas according to that beacon of balance, the Daily mail.
The Government are also introducing a new law to allow it to to bypass current safety legislation. The first of many I suspect.
Will this be forced on NHS and other staff? If so, how?
Stephen
The Government are also introducing a new law to allow it to to bypass current safety legislation. The first of many I suspect.
Will this be forced on NHS and other staff? If so, how?
Stephen
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
A lot of non-essential purchases in supermarkets are opportunistic. Remove the opportunity, people will probably wait, rather than go online for something they were only buying on the spur of the moment.
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
Many NHS staff are already obliged to take the flu jab as part of the terms of their employment.
mandryka
pfm Member
That IS good news!
gavreid
Pretty Words...
UCU begins legal action against the Government
https://ucu.org.uk/article/11084/UC...er-governments-decision-to-ignore-SAGE-advice
https://ucu.org.uk/article/11084/UC...er-governments-decision-to-ignore-SAGE-advice
Ponty
pfm Member
Exactly. Looks like Drakeford will be forced to u turn. He’s so out of his depth it’s cringeworthy.
Andrew C!
Been around a while....
All the retailers I visited in the spring were policing numbers and social distancing in their stores. These included; Asda, Tesco, Sainsbury’s, B&Q, Screwfix. We need to be careful not to overreact here, and make loads of assumptions eg what if my mums kettle breaks. She doesn’t go on her computer without me being there, is trying to remain independent and self-sustaining, and is also H&S aware(mask wearing, keeping distancing, picking an off peak time to go out).
A argument can be made either way, but when I was doing our/my mums shopping on the spring, all I witnessed was good behaviour. I accept it’s not the same everywhere, but deal with those who don’t comply, not those that do.
If you want to reduce contact transmission, then I think we need to be far more creative regarding schools, universities, and the onward transmission from those establishments.
Finally, influencing behaviour by trusting that some elements of society will ‘do the right thing’ is naive. I’ve spent a lifetime dealing with some of those elements. They could not give a toss about the wider picture. I’d also add that support for some of the most vulnerable within these elements would be crucial.
stephen bennett
Mr Enigma
Which bit? Lowering safety standards or forcing workers to accept a vaccine based on those new lower standards?
Sue: are you sure front line staff have a ‘must take any vaccine ordered by their employers’ clause in their employment?
I really hope we have vaccines soon that can start to mitigate the pandemic’s impact. If these new ‘rapid’ vaccines do work on a corona virus this could mean big changes for healthcare.
But I worry that Johnson will use it as an excuse to proclaim it’ll all be over by Easter and not sort out the other actions needed.
Even with a healthcare worker virus at Christmas we are talking years of lockdowns without them.
Stephen
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
"Opportunistic" suggests purchased whilst there for something else. So the idea that the move will reduce the temptation for people to leave their house unnecessarily is untrue?
Seems the Welsh FM thinks it needs a rethink.
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
I can’t speak to the wording in the contract, but my wife is NHS, patient facing, and basically doesn’t get the option to decline the flu vaccine. She’s tried, and got nowhere.
stephen bennett
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