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Brexit: give me a positive effect... VI

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So accurate. Far left and far right combine to deliver misery. Who could believe it. Maybe they are both cut from the same cloth just decided to go to opposite sides of the same room.

Yes. If you imagine the political landscape not as a spectrum with far-left one end and far-right the other, but as a circle, with the centre at the top, the far-left and far-right extremes converge at the bottom. Which is where they both belong.
 
In many ways, the only way the real impacts of Brexit can be kept alive is via Social media. Most of the the traditional Media will not report Brexit-related issues fully and the BBC are about to become the broadcasting wing of the Conservative party. We can also expect Fox news here soon.

Brexit Politicians and leave voters will deflect and blame others and other things for the problems that Brexit brings.

Few Leave voters will want to hear the truth about Brexit as they never listened to any of it before the referendum.

Stephen
Same old...

This works both ways.
It’s an alternative to remain politicians and hard remainers accepting no responsibility and blaming everything that goes wrong on brexit.

Few hard remainers want to hear the truth. It’s nothing to do with how they voted in successive GE’s.
 
And just like this thread, the rhetoric does not change between them. I check in here every few weeks and find it funny that everyone is saying the same shit.

The social divide is clearly there. But that's not Brexit really. It seems to me that lots of people in UK always need something to hate anyway. Brexit was perfect for that.

First bit is true with the caveat that I don't think anybody posting here is far right or far left. People including myself should just give up on this thread and wait to see what happens. Reliving the last 4-5yrs every week is tiring and unproductive.

Your second bit is very perceptive just goes to show if you stay off the dating sites you can come up with a gem :D
 
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Don't panic Angela has Brexit in hand, i may have mentioned this a while ago. We have had the 'cars for cows deal' that is looking like a non starter but she will make sure the 'cars for fish' deal is swimming in the right direction. A bung is on the way which is in addition to the EU magic money tree hand outs and loans.

Cars for unicorns?
The German auto industry is going to save us because they need us more than we need them?

I've heard that before.
 
Funny that this ad came up on this thread, considering the tagline on it:

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Brexit means: The Great Leap Forward.
Johnson says the U.K. will become “The Saudi Arabia of Wind”. Investment £160 million.
The government’s bungled track and trace system. Investment £10 billion.
How does that work then?
 
Meanwhile new Tory darling RS is chirping away on Today telling everyone he will balance the books, but doesn't seem keen to let us know how.

He's a sharp cooky, has twigged that spending is so much more popular than invoicing. No wonder he's a successful businessman, even before marrying into a fortune. Good advice that last bit, for anyone struggling with bills.
 
I have no intention of putting words into your mouth, Brian, but I'll summarise what I took away from your various arguments on the point:

"Nobody was in a position to make any promises about the shape of the future relationship, therefore the possibility of a 'no deal' was always there, in the background. That it was downplayed by the campaigns doesn't mean it wasn't a credible outcome. So if people voted Brexit, they voted for a range of possible outcomes, including no-deal. Therefore, you can't say there is no mandate for 'no deal'."

I accept that 'not having no mandate for no-deal' is different to 'there was a mandate for no-deal', but in practical terms, they effectively have the same outcome: if no-deal happens, those in power can argue it was TWOTP.

The flaw in your argument, for me, is that while the possibility was always there in the background, it operated at a level well below the public consciousness. It was also contrary to the various campaign messages being touted at the time. So it is understandable that people may have mentally discounted the possibility of no-deal as being in the category of 'so unlikely, it's essentially impossible'. It is conjecture, of course, but my feeling is that, had the campaigns been more direct about the possibility of a no-deal Brexit and the consequences, fewer people would have taken the Leave option. As it is, those who argued this possibility at the time were shouted down as 'Project Fear', further enhancing the idea that a no-deal Brexit simply wasn't worth worrying about.

"Maintaining our place in the Single Market", "£350m for the NHS", "easiest deal in history", "tough on immigration" etc etc were all prominently punted as benefits of Brexit, and many would have voted based on such information. That these "sunlit uplands" have dissolved so pitifully leaving us on the brink of a no deal leads me to conclude that the people were either completely duped by the false promises made, or that they're thick as pigshit for not seeing the ruse - simply one or the other. Again, not sure how this squares up with Remainers being at fault.
 
Meanwhile new Tory darling RS is chirping away on Today telling everyone he will balance the books, but doesn't seem keen to let us know how.

He's a sharp cooky, has twigged that spending is so much more popular than invoicing. No wonder he's a successful businessman, even before marrying into a fortune. Good advice that last bit, for anyone struggling with bills.

Winchester, Oxford, Stanford. And married daughter of a billionaire. No fool that Richi Sunak.
 
Yeah, and good luck to R S. Would hate to try and take on the economic catastrophe that is coronavirus
 
^ Coffee shops ? And everything else. But it will be worth it for all the positive effects outlined above.
 
What I get out of following this thread is —

—that the leave supporters on here have spent hundreds of words explaining why they can't list the benefits of leaving the EU because remainers wouldn't understand them.

And that the whole thing is the fault of those who voted to remain.

Leave voters are not responsible at all, either for Brexit or the current Government, especially those that maintain they support the Labour party.

Stephen
 
Winchester, Oxford, Stanford. And married daughter of a billionaire. No fool that Richi Sunak.

For people like Johnson, that's still the background of an oik.

We know how the Tories will balance the books. Cut benefits and raise taxes for those who don't vote Conservative.

The removal of rights and regulations should save a few bob too.

And the move to insurance healthcare and removal of state pensions will help—but I suspect it'll only be those on higher incomes who'll get a NI cut.

No need to monitor pollution—just redefine it.

Stephen
 
Make the UK bestest with blue passports and breeze-generated juice. And no socialists living in Chelsea or flying in on made in UK green jets in 2030.

Did I miss something?
 
For people like Johnson, that's still the background of an oik.

We know how the Tories will balance the books. Cut benefits and raise taxes for those who don't vote Conservative.

The removal of rights and regulations should save a few bob too.
Bonfire of the regulators on the cards. IEA is doing a 'review' of regulators (at the behest of government/Cummings). It'll be a hatchet job.

https://iea.org.uk/media/who-regulates-the-regulators/
 
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