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Brexit: give me a positive effect... III
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If any of us want to eat turkey this Christmas then I hope to Christ that there's a special case made for Portuguese butchers, or we are going to have to do our own butchery, because the turkey factories can't run without immigrants and the Portuguese seem to make up a good few of them. Actually hopefully we will be OK this year, it's janu ary it all (snigger) happens, isn't it? If not then we need to get enough skilled butchers to Suffolk to process 2 million birds in 6 weeks. Are you any good with a knife?
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
Why the snigger?
I used to run a small business in the Midlands. There was a butcher next door who flogged hundreds of turkey's on order around Christmas time, sorted them all himself. Went by the name of Bill, I never realised he was Portuguese. There is a farm shop near us now where they do all their own butchery, you can watch them at work, I didn't know they were Portuguese either. I wonder what I'll do for the steak and dog bones from January.
By the way, I'm good with a knife and a chicken, I'd have a shot at a turkey.
Brian
Eating fat, staying slim
It's bad. It can happen when unelected individuals attain too much power.
People really did need to think a bit harder last December about what they were voting for, unfortunately, many did not due to an obsession with a single issue.
eisenach
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It'll be fine. We've got a butcher's dog in fine fettle running the country, so no problem!
tuga
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I half expected that would be the case. Schiit!
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
They're already here in Thetford.
Colin Barron
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Instead of using data the usual remainer group thinking on this thread is that if the majority think something is true and most agree then it must be true. There has been the same wishful thinking with the referendum, the 2017 GE, a second referendum, and even the 2019 GE. Westminster had the same approach of wishful thinking that they Know best and the electorate had their say.
eternumviti
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Not sure what your point is? You are super hard brexiteer ( I use hard just as a moniker like used by others to describe remainersmight as well play the opposition with the same tactics) I was under the impression your world vision was no immigrants are required they are taking our jobs/benefits. You do understand that living costs are a factor for anybody who might live in a country with a lower minimum wage? It is difficult to reconcile your keep them out take back control with your post. Sure they will come anyway because their minimum wage is less than the UK. Its kinda classic cake and eat it Brexit fantasy. economics. You maybe right but they will only come if it is worthwhile. If the farms are going to be patrolled by already well trained statue protectors it might be comfortable for them?
Apologises as I know you prefer one liners
Just an aside, but I've never understood the 'cake and eat it' metaphor. Why would you have some cake if you didn't want or expect to eat it? S'pose you could give it to the birds.
And sorry to probably sound a bit thick, but what are 'well trained statue protectors', why would they patrol farms, and why would their doing so make it comfortable for seasonal labourers?
That's all a bit unnecessarily aggressive and snarky, Mike.
A couple of points; Colin and I might be aligned on Brexit, or aspects of it, but we've never actually met, so we're really not 'chums'. More than 17 million people voted for brexit, but I know very few of them, and would consider myself a 'chum' of fewer still.
And thank you for the unsolicited and rather patronising lecture, and yes, I'm perfectly well aware of the lead times involved in medical training.
Yes, that's a bit more like it.
eternumviti
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Impartial? What alternative reality do you actually live in?
Are you aware of the irony of that post, Brian? Which unelected and overpowerful individual were you referring to, Cummings or Sedwill?
Brian
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eternumviti
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It could quite easily have gone the other way.
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
Do you work in the CS?
russel
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Just caught a headline: UK heading for worst recession in Europe. -20% in April. Good thing we take back control in 2021
An economy based on people selling crap to each other, asset shuffling and ambulance chasing, who’d have thought?
eternumviti
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It isn't beyond me to wonder what part Sedwill, who is after all a spook, might have had in the Cummings/Durham/CB disclosures.
Wild conspiracy theories aside, I thought that when BJ appointed Sedwill as Cabinet Secretary and Mandarin-in-Chief that he wasn't serious about Whitehall reform. It appears now that I was wrong.
No, but I quote the BBC 'Most experienced civil servants acknowledge that there are things that the system can do better.' Which is probably putting it mildly. Take the review of the Windrush scandal (during which I think I'm right in saying that Sedwill was Permament Secretary at the HO), which concluded that;
- The Home Office was fragmented and decision-making was "siloed"
- A target-dominated work environment within visas and immigration enforcement sections
- A lack of empathy in some cases along with dehumanising jargon and cliches
- Some senior civil servants and former ministers showed ignorance, lack of understanding and acceptance of the full extent of the injustice
- Changes to legal aid contributed to the scandal
- A history of prejudice towards black people and wider society also a factor
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
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Criticism of Sedwill's tenure as Perm Sec at the Home Office is fair enough, but a lot of these bulleted intitutionalised problems with the HO go back decades, and most are probably attributable in large degree to political and ministerial interference or 'policies' as their root cause.
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