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Election night 2019 / aftermath

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I really hoped that Johnson was going to make a commitment in his victory to end rough sleeping on the streets of Britain. It’s a national disgrace and something I am ashamed off.

We in PF inhabit a place where we talk about cables costing thousands of pounds and yet some of our fellow citizens are slumped in shop doorways to keep from the cold. I know everyone of them will have a complicated back story and some of them are their own worst enemies but FFS the first step is to get them out of the cold and given a proper meal.

Ray
 
wacko said:
Exactly. In this febrile time policies did not matter. Banging on about free broadband made Labour a laughing stock.
Labour had to make to a positive case for EU membership while forcefully blaming Tory Austerity before and during the election campaign. Corbyn was not the man to do that.
The Tories hid Boris while Labour hid Starmer...
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Labour had a policy to return spending on public services to normal levels -- which is literally what it means to be against austerity. All this policy seems to have achieved is make everyone think that they were crazy Marxists and had a yard full of magic money trees.

I do agree that a large part of the problem was that Corbyn was unable to communicate this effectively. And that we can take from the way the Tories ran their election with essentially no policies that maybe not having policies is the new sensible plan for winning elections.
 
thebigfredc said:
Well remembered. Foot had served in the Army during WW2.
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It's not my long term memory that I struggle with, it's working memory - I have to check each of my short posts subsequently for spelling and arseabouttitery sic. Cricket is a struggle, I can't remember anything about the NZ tests, except the results and I'd noticed that Willis (my Warwickshire hero as a kid) wasn't on the telly, and Root scored of course.
 
thebigfredc said:
Johnson will play the long game with Scotland.

He will try to bring prosperity and stability to all of the UK in order to diffuse the clamour for independence by the time of the next GE.
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It's a bit of a problem then that his only policy is to reduce the size of our economy starting next month.
 
matthewr said:
Labour had a policy to return spending on public services to normal levels -- which is literally what it means to be against austerity. All this policy seems to have achieved is make everyone think that they were crazy Marxists and had a yard full of magic money trees.
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It didn't help that the Labour Chancellor would have actually been a self-confessed Marxist intent on overthrowing capitalism and preferring the model of Chavez's Venezuela.

 
Tony L said:
“An incontinent mess of unbelievable policies” £160k pa (plus perks) trade union trough-feeder Len McCluskey on Labour’s manifesto (HuffPost)!
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He sat on the Committee that wrote the effing thing - I guess he didn't get his way (answers my question to Sean re wtf were Unite)
 
Joe P said:
Joe,



If only Labour had been more concerned about the less fortunate they would have won? That seems unlikely given that the majority went Tory.

Joe
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Again...no, that was not the point I was trying to make.

The were plenty , suitably concerned but they were rubbish media communicators about their concerns.

I remember " Free Broadband For All "...not "no more rough sleeping from day one"
 
Joe said:
WTF was that Labour promise of "free broadband for all" all about ?

Who thought it up and who in the Labour party ever let them mention it in public ?

Did I miss the announcement of an immediate end ( the very first day after they won the election ) to rough sleeping and food banks ?

Free BB is an election bauble thought up by the Twitteratti generation.

Bizarre priorities.

( had to get that off my chest )
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Erm, there were different phases to the campaign characterised by different policy announcements. Free broadband dominated for a few days of the five weeks. Solving homelessness did too, and the NHS most of all. Bear in mind Johnson had been banging on about full fibre broadband for months.
 
palacefan said:
I can state that without fail the Tories and their media friends will start personal attacks and smearing tactics against whoever the next labour leader is. Labour were beaten which was fair enough but they enter every event with one hand behind their backs.
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So, given this is going to happen, best they choose a leader and team with a bit more media nous.
 
twotone said:
Yes, a new low, a labour MP voting tory, bstards, at least she lost her seat to an effin tory. Irony of Ironies.

Even Sedgefield voted tory.
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TBF, it did that in 1997!

There is one silver lining to GE2019 - that horrid Swinson has gone along with all the other centrists who jumped ship into Change UK.
Many more women in the new Labour intake and the PLP has shifted to the left. Should make life easier for the new leader, which should be Rebecca Long-Bailey or Richard Burgon though I could accept the incredibly faithful and loyal Barry Gardiner who is more toward the centre of the Party.
 
Seeker,

I don't think I'd put access to the webz up there with food, water and shelter, but damn, it's hard to get anything official done these days without a computer and an internet connection.

My stepfather died in the summer and my mother wasn't able to do much by phone or mail. All the applications for benefits, notifications, cancellations, etc. were looked after by me on her behalf. If I didn't have a computer and the webz I honestly don't know how these things could be done.

The digital divide in this case is one of age, but I'm sure income and resources play a huge part in who has access to the web and who doesn't.

Joe
 
Joe P said:
Seeker,

I don't think I'd put access to the webz up there with food, water and shelter, but damn, it's hard to get anything official done these days without a computer and an internet connection.

My stepfather died in the summer and my mother wasn't able to do much by phone or mail. All the applications for benefits, notifications, cancellations, etc. were looked after by me on her behalf. If I didn't have a computer and the webz I honestly don't know how these things could be done.

Joe
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I agree - my mum struggles because she will not use the Interweb.

The point I was making was that you can offer free BB but as you allude to, it's pretty pish without an accompanying access device.
 
Seeker_UK said:
Perhaps if it was free broadband and computer, they might have had something.

Maybe a state-provided user access device to enjoy benefits of volume production, you could call it a, er, let me think, 'telescreen'.
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Brilliant idea. Then the government could communicate directly to the people with the good news that war is peace, freedom is slavery, and ignorance is strength and, by the way, the chocolate ration is gong up from 300g to 200g per month, without all that media bias getting in the way.
 
Robert said:
TBF, it did that in 1997!

There is one silver lining to GE2019 - that horrid Swinson has gone along with all the other centrists who jumped ship into Change UK.
Many more women in the new Labour intake and the PLP has shifted to the left. Should make life easier for the new leader.
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unbelievable.

If this sort of mindset prevails, Labour will never get elected again.

One more heave, eh?
 
Joe P said:
Seeker,

I don't think I'd put access to the webz up there with food, water and shelter, but damn, it's hard to get anything official done these days without a computer and an internet connection.

My stepfather died in the summer and my mother wasn't able to do much by phone or mail. All the applications for benefits, notifications, cancellations, etc. were looked after by me on her behalf. If I didn't have a computer and the webz I honestly don't know how these things could be done.

The digital divide in this case is one of age, but I'm sure income and resources play a huge part in who has access to the web and who doesn't.

Joe
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Access to the internet is a crucial part of the modern democracy, nevermind the ability to run any sort of business from home
 
NeilR said:
unbelievable.

If this sort of mindset prevails, Labour will never get elected again.
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Labour, to be worth electing, needs to be offering something different at the other end of the political spectrum, not simply a variation on Liberals and Tories.
Otherwise you just swap rosettes - no point whatsoever.

There is no difference between the Blair 'third way' and so called One Nation Conservatism.

If the public reject a socialist vision, you don't abandon it, you try harder!
In just the same way that remainers didn't pack up and go home after they lost the referendum, they carried on fighting and I suspect will continue to do so for many years.

The idea that you have to shape the political core of a political party to suit the current social narrative is potty, you just get several similar political offerings with little ability to make real change.
 
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