TheDecameron
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It also interrupted one’s holiday at Balmoral.Brenda is sounding a bit tired and bored by the bollocks she’s currently articulating. I guess she knows this speech likely won’t see the day out...
It also interrupted one’s holiday at Balmoral.Brenda is sounding a bit tired and bored by the bollocks she’s currently articulating. I guess she knows this speech likely won’t see the day out...
It is clear that the referendum was between remaining and simply leaving, there was never any requirement for the detail of any leave deal to be voted on against remain.
.Remain meant continuing the current relationship with the EEC/EU.
easy, the one negotiated by our Government.So which type of leave did we vote for?
easy, the one negotiated by our Government.
Ok, the final agreement negotiated by our Government.So this means all the Brexiteers who voted against the deal are betraying the will of the people. E.g. Boris Johnson, Rees-Mogg, etc.
So things have changed in 45 years? Yes, of course, just a bit. 45 years before that was 1930, we'd just had one World War, we were about to have the Great Depression, and we were going to start another war. Who in 1930 had *any idea whatsoever" what was going to happen in 1975? Some people didn't even have electricity in 1930.Anyway, Brian made the point that the 1975 referendum didn't state what staying in the then EEC would mean for the future...
And I was just pointing out how the changing role of the then EEC, now EU, since 1975. That all folks.
Rae
Ok, the final agreement negotiated by our Government.
Ok, the final agreement negotiated by our Government.
What's wrong with finding out if we still want to proceed?
What are you afraid of?
A bit bizarre maybe - the 45 years bit was referring to changes which have taken place in the institutions and intentions of the EU from 1975 until today - but hey I am sure you are well intentioned. Keep up the good work.So things have changed in 45 years? Yes, of course, just a bit. 45 years before that was 1930, we'd just had one World War, we were about to have the Great Depression, and we were going to start another war. Who in 1930 had *any idea whatsoever" what was going to happen in 1975? Some people didn't even have electricity in 1930.
Nobody can possibly predict what's going to happen in 45 years. Everything will change.
It's not for Remain to say "what kind of Remain do you want?" because remain is a status quo. It means "carry on, within the existing arrangements, until further notice, with the situation evolving as successive governments see fit". If you ask me "do I want to stay in my existing house or leave?" then if I say "Remain" it's not down to me to say what colour I will paint the kitchen in 40 years' time. Nor do I have to keep it exactly as it is, preserved in aspic. I just stay there and the house changes as I see fit. If I want a new kitchen then I'll do that. Only if I say "Leave" do I then have to say what I require from the new house.
Yes, as I said, everything has changed in 45 years. The world has evolved, the UK, Europe and the EU is no exception.A bit bizarre maybe - the 45 years bit was referring to changes which have taken place in the institutions and intentions of the EU from 1975 until today
I will.Keep up the good work.
If you ask me "do I want to stay in my existing house or leave?" then if I say "Remain" it's not down to me to say what colour I will paint the kitchen in 40 years' time. Nor do I have to keep it exactly as it is, preserved in aspic. I just stay there and the house changes as I see fit. If I want a new kitchen then I'll do that. Only if I say "Leave" do I then have to say what I require from the new house.
Naturally this entirely sensible and practical possibility was never explored by the EU because the EU is a doctrine, a theology, that will brook no dissent from its ultimate goal of a European Imperium, and by consequence any dilution of its institutions to progressively ratchet power inwards.
The EU isn't a doctrine, or a theology, it's a legal construct, with rules, not red lines. A complete failure of the Leavers to understand this has led to the situation we are in.
I think it is clear that there are lots of rules!The EU isn't a doctrine, or a theology, it's a legal construct, with rules, not red lines. A complete failure of the Leavers to understand this has led to the situation we are in.
The basic ambitions were included at the 1975 referendum but Heath was saying we would not have to agree to anything we did not want and we had the veto.To Stunsworth,
A bit of confusion here - probably mine (I am only semi-literate and English is not my first language).
Anyway, Brian made the point that the 1975 referendum didn't state what staying in the then EEC would mean for the future.
To this you replied
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And I was just pointing out how the changing role of the then EEC, now EU, since 1975. That all folks.
Rae