Notice the comment #22 from JimH of JRiver in this thread on the JRiver forum.
"JPlay is a hoax" he says.
"JPlay is a hoax" he says.
... but many audiophiles' inability to discriminate between 'better' and 'different' has to be heard to be believed.
so, what's so good about Jriver MC ?
Jplay sounds best when NOT using Jriver or Foobar. The order of best SQ is:I would be more sympathetic with JPlay were it a £10 add-on – it is, after all, a parasitic program that uses its 'host' for file management etc. while doings lots of silly things that claim to 'improve' sound quality.[/IMG]
Jplay sounds best when NOT using Jriver or Foobar. The order of best SQ is:
1st Jplaymini (no other players are used here)
2nd Foobar2000
3rd Jriver
You can't call it parasitic when its best sound is as a standalone player.
You mean saying that 3 entirely different codesets can't produce 3 different sounds? Bit and time perfect datastreams into to a shallow DAC buffer would I expect sound the same. But maybe if you measure the datastreams (packet arrivals) you'll find differences.You make assertions that go against any sensible theory and current scientific understanding, with no evidence whatsoever. That would be trolling, then.
In any other context perhaps it would be, but those sort of assertions pretty much go with this territory. Someone once described "Jerusalem" as a series of questions to which the answer is "no". So too the computer audiophile creed.You make assertions that go against any sensible theory and current scientific understanding, with no evidence whatsoever. That would be trolling, then.
Jplay sounds best when...
I'm not convinced it's wise to answer given the vitriol I suspect about to come my way.What, exactly, do you mean by "sounds best"?
I'm not convinced it's wise to answer given the vitriol I suspect about to come my way.
I've seen that thread. Given everything measures the same it should sound the same, providing the correct measurements are being made. I find Jplay sounds different to Foobar2000 with ASIO4ALL on the machines I have here. Maybe Foobar is more accurate and Jplay sounds better to my ears. I'm only using my ears. I would expect that that a music server that's really well set up and finely tuned for the task would result in my finding Foobar and Jplay sound the same.Clive I suggest you go onto the Hydrogen audio forum and look at the results they got when testing the output of various players with and without Jplay. I'll make it succinct for you- it does nothing, no measurable difference was found. No bit differences, no FR differences, when measured at the output of the host or at the output of the subsequent DAC, it does nothing that affects the bits, the jitter or the noise coming from the source.
I have JPlay here,and in all honesty I couldn't say it sounds any different to JRiver, when you A/B quickly between Amarra and ITunes there is a difference, but 'better'?
Keith.