I call this rather more than a 'window blowout' but hey, I'm sure glad I was not sat in those seats.
Plane delivered in October '23?
Grounded yet again.
Plane delivered in October '23?
Grounded yet again.
Another problem for Boeing 737 Max
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Mullardman
Moderately extreme...
Time both Boeing and 'the authorities' stopped ****ing about and discontinued the 737.
Bob McC
Living the life of Riley
Nothing wrong with previous iterations.
Jet 2 bought a load of the previous one when the max was launched.
Fault free so far.
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
Evan Smith, one of the 171 passengers on board, said: "There was a really loud bang towards the left rear of the plane and a woosh noise - and all the air masks dropped.
"They said there was a kid in that row who had his shirt was sucked off him and out of the plane and his mother was holding onto him to make sure he didn't go with it."
Alaska Airlines grounds 737 Max 9 planes after section blows out mid-air
Part of the fuselage of the Alaska Airlines Boeing 737 Max 9 fell off, forcing an emergency landing.
www.bbc.co.uk
CageyH
pfm Member
I think the safety door locations are optional/customised depending on the airlines requirements, so it may be a blanking panel on the outside of the fuselage. Based on the age of the MAX, I doubt that the structural integrity of this panel would have yet be scheduled for inspection, until now.
Everybody survived, so good news. However, altitude and location played a major part in the outcome.
Everybody survived, so good news. However, altitude and location played a major part in the outcome.
canonman
pfm Member
Might be difficult to replace over 11,000 aircraft.
Richard Lines
pfm Member
Good afternoon all,
Whilst not quite the same thing but after two disastrous helicopter crashes in the North Sea the Super Puma was effectively banned from the North Sea and been replaced by the S-92.
Apparently different rules apply in wider civil aviation - nothing to do with how much money is on the line of course.
Regards
Richard
Whilst not quite the same thing but after two disastrous helicopter crashes in the North Sea the Super Puma was effectively banned from the North Sea and been replaced by the S-92.
Apparently different rules apply in wider civil aviation - nothing to do with how much money is on the line of course.
Regards
Richard
Richard Lines
pfm Member
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
That’s a bit silly. The North Sea heli ops are also civil aviation. There are international ICAO rules to follow, it’s not like every country gets to make up its own standards, and even if it were, this is a US airline. Not some tin pot third world banana republic.
Richard Lines
pfm Member
OK. The Super Puma was initially grounded throughout Europe and then the FAA also grounded them.
Technically the CAA have indeed lifted the grounding order.
Statoil refused to have them fly workers offshore and, I believe, operators this side of the North Sea, followed suit.
None have flown in the North Sea since the Norwegian incident.
Regards
Richard
The Captain
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No way I'd fly on a 737 max after the two crashes prior to this even after it's redesign. This near disaster should be the end of this cursed plane now surely. Boeing are clearly now incompetent in their safety standards, or designing.
As a passenger when booking a ticket, do you have any indication of what plane you'll be flying on? I last flew before 9/11 so have no idea nowadays.
Capt
As a passenger when booking a ticket, do you have any indication of what plane you'll be flying on? I last flew before 9/11 so have no idea nowadays.
Capt
Graham B
pfm Member
Yes, the aircraft type is normally clear when booking, although it may not go into granular detail such as Max 7, 8 or 9, or NEO / CEO for Airbus. Flight Radar 24 can give more details on their schedules, usually giving the MSN although these can be subject to change depending on circumstance.
Tony Lockhart
Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity
Out of about 1,400 737 Max aircraft, two have crashed, one has had this happen.
The two crashes were properly investigated, eventually, and there haven’t been any concerns since.
This latest incident may well be a one off. We won’t know until the investigation makes its findings known.
Don’t like it? Don’t fly.
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I believe the only UK airlines flying 737 Max's are Ryanair and TUI. Of course other carriers may fly them to and from the UK.
There was a long informative book review on Mastodon today about American business' attitude towards "accidents". The 737 Max is aeronautically unstable and has a system called MCAS which attempts to compensate for this. MCAS is unreliable. Extract here,
"To review: Boeing built a plane that was difficult to fly, then added software that autocorrects these difficulties, but decided that if that software fails, the pilot should save the day by figuring out how to fly the difficult-to-fly plane."
They didn't even tell the pilots about the software.
The pilot of the first crashed 737 Max spent his final minutes "paging through the pilot manual, trying to determine what was going wrong. This was futile; any mention of MCAS had been removed."
MCAS is fundamental to the airworthiness of a 737 Max, pilots were not trained on it or even informed of it's existence. Let that sink in.
There was a long informative book review on Mastodon today about American business' attitude towards "accidents". The 737 Max is aeronautically unstable and has a system called MCAS which attempts to compensate for this. MCAS is unreliable. Extract here,
"To review: Boeing built a plane that was difficult to fly, then added software that autocorrects these difficulties, but decided that if that software fails, the pilot should save the day by figuring out how to fly the difficult-to-fly plane."
They didn't even tell the pilots about the software.
The pilot of the first crashed 737 Max spent his final minutes "paging through the pilot manual, trying to determine what was going wrong. This was futile; any mention of MCAS had been removed."
MCAS is fundamental to the airworthiness of a 737 Max, pilots were not trained on it or even informed of it's existence. Let that sink in.
Bob McC
Living the life of Riley
I won’t fly airlines that use 737 MAXs but the last two times I flew this year Easyjet, who only fly Airbus, changed the plane on the return flight. I doubt I could have done anything about it if I had concerns.
You won’t know with Ryanair.
They had theirs “rebranded” with a different nose tag.