but to counter the downright false comments some like to make about this product.
Most amusing, and you’re selectively quoting your points.Assme that is aimed at me, what false comment? I said he sold over priced cables, that is subjective and my view, are you saying I'm not allowed subjective opinions now?
I said I view them both as carpet baggers i.e they turn up in threads recommending their own or each others products opportunistically. In fact it's not just me as others have commented they are uncomfortable with trade members pushing their products in audio threads
In many cases offering to send demo units on threads where people are just asking for advice on.
Thw Flash made an objective statement that a correctly installed switch will "improve your system" and I just asked for evidence of that.
If these cables or switches eradicate or reduce noise then that can be measured and validated, just send them off to a neutral 3rd party tester.
I can bet you'd be pretty upset if you went to buy a new car and it went something like....
you--hello I'd like to buy a car, what's that one?
sales--ah it's black and it's got copper inside
you--how many miles to the gallon does it achieve?
sales--dunno we haven't measured it
you--what's the ncap safety rating?
sales--dunno we didn't test it
you--that's not very helpful
sales--don't you worry about stuff like that, all you need to know is this car is better than your car.
start slagging their products off as foo, without any evidence,
Why does it worry you? fomo? Who’s looking for issues that don’t exist? - A bit judgemental don’t you think, and based on what?What worries me more is that it seems the audiophiles that have spent the most on their hifi’s are having to additionally spend on paraphernalia to make them sound …….
Looking for issues that don’t exist, out of human hearing etc.
It’s a disease surely?
my view that a £6000 switch or £2000 cable is over priced foo.
Of course you’re entitled to your opinion. I must have missed your evidence; perhaps it was hidden amongst your accusations of over priced foo!I've provided my evidence and retain my view that a £6000 switch or £2000 cable is over priced foo. Neither have presented a single iota of evidence (or in most cases not even responded to the question) beyond "try it yourself" Well I have and it's all bullshit.
Like others I'm entitled to have and express my views, at no point have I ever said nobody should buy something or that subjective purchasing is wrong
Do you remember years ago when someone filed a complaint with the ASA about a Chord advert that claimed its product improved the sound. When challenged by the ASA they were unable to produce any evidence to back up their claim and were issued a warning and ordered to change the advert.
Sound familiar?
You'll be pleased to hear I am done now and see little point in trying to discuss things with people who clearly have no technical skills or knowledge of their own products.
Yes everyone is entitled to have an opinion but it is exasperating when some peoples opinions are stated as facts when they are obviously no more than opinions. Also when some facts are completely misrepresented. For instance if one cannot correctly state the price of a product without grossly exaggerating it then it does not bode well for any other ‘facts’ used in evidence. But hey ho.You are, of course, entitled to your opinion that the effect high frequency noise cannot be detected in the audio but imho that doesn’t mean you’re entitled to ‘state’ that something is foo and with it the implication that the seller is some sort of con artist.
Just wanted to redress the balance with how I assessed the wave cables against the ‘I don’t believe it therefore it cannot be” brigade.Yes everyone is entitled to have an opinion but it is exasperating when some peoples opinions are stated as facts when they are obviously no more than opinions. Also when some facts are completely misrepresented. For instance if one cannot correctly state the price of a product without grossly exaggerating it then it does not bode well for any other ‘facts’ used in evidence. But hey ho.
By the way I have just watched Rob Watts on YouTube give his talk at CanJam 2024 and a large part of it is explaining why RF noise is, in his words, “a major major problem in dacs”. Of course he discusses many more issues, some of which will make many people splutter with disbelief but it is all food for thought as they say. Unfortunately it is quite long but I just played the audio from my iphone to the car stereo.
Oh and thank you for your kind words about the WAVE cables and I am glad you are still enjoying them.
you're correct I have fomoWhy does it worry you? fomo? Who’s looking for issues that don’t exist? - A bit judgemental don’t you think, and based on what?
It can’t because the “tweakery” relates to reproduction at the end point not production at the start point.I wonder whether an AI algo in a DAC (or in the Studio) that corrects/manages pitch, timbre, timing etc will put an end to all the tweakery.
Having to? Or choosing to? I may be taking you too literally and your emotions are obviously your business but I wouldn’t actually worry too much about rich audiophiles (though I’m sure they’d find your concern rather touching)!What worries me more is that it seems the audiophiles that have spent the most on their hifi’s are having to additionally spend on paraphernalia to make them sound …….
Looking for issues that don’t exist, out of human hearing etc.
It’s a disease surely?
Did you have a question? I’m not sure I understand your post.My WiFi doesn't drop below .4Gbps in the house but I still ethernet cable to my wifi router 2m’s away.
Great post but (ref last paragraph) can you expand on your extrapolation from logical to most effective? I presume you’ve directly compared these in the same position in your network. Before I had a dog in the race I tried several such filters and they all performed woefully compared with a generic-but-decently-designed switch; hence my first product being a (powered) switch rather than a (presumably passive) filter.It's worth quoting a reply by HQPlayer's Jussi Laako from an Audiophilestyle topic aptly named "Bits is bits?":
This is where a lot of people have their huge, huge misunderstanding.The analogue signal is not carrying any audio. The analogue signal is transporting the bitstream of digitally encoded audioYou cannot possibly affect the quality of the source audio by reducing distortion on the analogue signal. Can you really not understand this ?
There is some amount of misunderstanding here. We are talking about two separate things.
1) Correctness of data transfer
2) Noise injection to analog parts through galvanic connection of the source and DAC
(2) completely and independently bypasses the data path. It doesn't require any data to be transmitted and unless excessive, doesn't affect data transfer itself. But it tends to affect clocks, D/A conversion part and other analog parts of the DAC - this is where the crossing from digital to analog happens and this is where the electronics are sensitive to noises at levels down to -140 dB or so.
There's no one in PFM capable of matching his experience or knowledge on the subject or of challenging his claims, but feel free to stick to your 'bits is bits' beliefs though...
I do agree with @adamdea that if the goal is to filter EMI and RFI then the logical (most effective) approach is to use an Ethernet filter (e.g. DX Engineering ISO-PLUS), not a network switch.