Matters not who is in power, this has to be sorted sharpish.So we never had child poverty under a labour government? It only happens under the tories?
We live in a world where making such a choice should not be an issue, never have we been so knowledgeable about the planet & those who live upon it, never have we had the wealth to deal with any issue facing us but we also live in a world where governments have never held so much power, or have the ability to manipulate the voters via fake news, social media & the like, we are a sad species who could, if arsed, make everyday living on this planet a living joy, but here we are.Nail hit on head. It sickens me to the core the way so many care more about baby seals in the Arctic than about actual human beings in 2019 UK
The links above give some info on child poverty, child homelessness is a whole other issue of course but doubt you would be interested.What a peculiar analogy; way over my head.
Dunno about persistent or even suffering, but yes; exactly my point; it's simply poverty, which is and always has been pandemic, regardless of so-called advancing civilisation. I never became aware of the 'child poverty' claim before Gordon Brown, though it may had been political terminology beforehand. I'm of the opinion that it's a misnomer invented for political altruistic grandstanding.
Lot's of nonsensical questions followed by zero back up, me thinks you be trolling Mr Reed.'It' ? What, general poverty ? Doesn't it happen in the other four richest countries in the world? It always will. everywhere. Many fewer nowadays than before, no doubt, if you use current statistical yardsticks. I grew up in what would now be called 'poverty' but we simply didn't realise; nor did my parents.
What issue, Mull ? I simply asked what the heck WAS 'child poverty' as no-one has been able to explain it to me in rational language. There IS no 'issue' in my mind; simply a question tinged with cynicism.
Lot's of nonsensical questions followed by zero back up, me thinks you be trolling Mr Reed.
What has made you come to this conclusion.I bet their parents still smoke/have an iPhone/ a flatscreen TV etc.
What has made you come to this conclusion.
Then you cannot be reading the links in their entirety, child poverty is borne of family poverty, it is also a symptom of child abuse at home/school etc..where an individual leaves the family home in desperation without shelter/food/clothing etc.., this is a separate issue to what is being discussed here. Absolute poverty in most cases, is where families cannot afford to live, buy food, buy clothing or pay bills, the next step is homelessness, children living in working poverty has risen sharply, those living in sheltered accommodation with their families has also risen sharply. If you believe poverty/absolute poverty has nothing to do with politics, your wrong, something as simple as changing the welfare system can create absolute poverty for many families, this is what we are now seeing after 8 years of this current system taking hold, it will soon escalate again once UC kicks in over the next few years.The difference between child poverty and family poverty (as recognised) still eludes me.
I see, bang on truth thenRead it in The S*n, DM etc.
So, if I understand correctly, 'child poverty' is where a family with children is in poverty, and 'poverty' is for childless families. But what is the purpose of the distinction? Are we saying that because children have no means to change their situation, this makes it qualitatively worse? Do we make similar distinctions for disability poverty, or mental health poverty?Then you cannot be reading the links in their entirety, child poverty is borne of family poverty, it is also a symptom of child abuse at home/school etc..where an individual leaves the family home in desperation without shelter/food/clothing etc.., this is a separate issue to what is being discussed here. Absolute poverty in most cases, is where families cannot afford to live, buy food, buy clothing or pay bills, the next step is homelessness, children living in working poverty has risen sharply, those living in sheltered accommodation with their families has also risen sharply. If you believe poverty/absolute poverty has nothing to do with politics, your wrong, something as simple as changing the welfare system can create absolute poverty for many families, this is what we are now seeing after 8 years of this current system taking hold, it will soon escalate again once UC kicks in over the next few years.
Relative poverty is well...relative.... to the economy & your circumstances in general but absolute poverty is where i'm coming from as far as child poverty is concerned, a 3 year old child has no say over their present situation or future so child poverty can be looked at as separate from general poverty where an individual does have the means to act, in some instances anyway though not in all, depending on mental or physical state, general poverty can easily make someone suffering a mental or physical disability become homeless, it takes very little for this to happen as opposed to someone mentally & physically fit, able to work etc..
Basically, child poverty is on the rise as is absolute poverty for childless families, whoever is in charge they have the means to act & halt it before it is out of control & more people die. It's hard to believe we are even discussing this while living in the UK.
No but someone with mental or physical incapacity find it more difficult to survive by lesser means, it's why the welfare reforms have created such a surge in homelessness, especially amongst those with mental health issues, such individuals find it more difficult to react to the current system which is aimed to confuse those claiming, the form is designed to catch people out by repeating questions in a different guise, the whole aim is to remove people from benefits, this means anyone, not just those who buck the system, there is no policy in place to treat people on a individual basis, this will of course escalate once UC arrives in all it's glory. The appeal process is beyond most who suffer mentally with their health, it's a bewildering process which not only distresses individuals but aims to remove them from claiming support, it's a system which is failing those who desperately need help. The evidence of this is there for all to see, food banks on the rise year on year, poverty escalating, those living in sheltered accommodation on the rise (though this is also due to a lack of housing) which also needs addressing.Do we make similar distinctions for disability poverty, or mental health poverty?
There will always be families (or individual parents) who abuse their kids In this manner, it is thankfully in the minority & certainly not the reason behind the surge in poverty on all levels over the last few years, most families love their children & want what is best for them by sacrificing for them.Nigella's brother was on any questions earlier arguing that more had to be done about fixed odds betting terminals, as a lot of child/food poverty is because the working poor are always in the bookies spunking their wages on gambling leaving no money to feed the kids.
I'm not sure that everyone queuing up at every food bank is the result of gambling, granted it's a big problem but it's a bit of a cop-out to victim blame everyone who can't afford to buy food.
There will always be families (or individual parents) who abuse their kids In this manner, it is thankfully in the minority & certainly not the reason behind the surge in poverty on all levels over the last few years, most families love their children & want what is best for them by sacrificing for them.
Maggie Thatcher, back in the 70's said this, bless her.
“Nowadays there really is no primary poverty left in this country. In Western countries we are left with the problems which aren’t poverty. All right, there may be poverty because people don’t know how to budget, don’t know how to spend their earnings, but now you are left with the really hard fundamental character—personality defect.”
Margaret Thatcher 1978
This is how it currently standsSome people here need to look closely at rates of benefit for the unemployed.
They might also want to look at how long unemployment benefit (JSA) is paid for, even assuming you can get it.