Ukraine II
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notaclue
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Russia now banning some food exports https://www.reuters.com/business/ru...auto-agricultural-equipment-until-2022-03-10/
No sure if they'd turn off gas/oil to Europe, but we may find it will increasingly be threatened.
No sure if they'd turn off gas/oil to Europe, but we may find it will increasingly be threatened.
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
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Lavrov said: Russia did not invade Ukraine.
Didn't he also say something bizarre and full-on QANON about Ukraine housing secret CIA research facilities, poisons, or something?
TheDecameron
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Lavrov’s language was unusually puerile and also sounded defeatist. I wonder if he’s seen the West’s collective wrecking ball taken to his personal assets and those of his friends and been saddened by his losses? The disturbing corollary is they may feel they’ve now got nothing to lose.
TheDecameron
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For the domestic audience, for when he asks them “do you want war, do you want total war?”.
notaclue
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He's also getting in the talking points for the RT human bots to amplify. "The war isn't really happening", "The West is just as bad/worse", "Putin is fighting the New World Order", etc. Pick whatever s**t appeals and spray it all over the internet.
TheDecameron
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He can always come to the negotiating table, not the pretend one and bring the Tsar with him….”this could all be over very quickly”.
matthewr
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This Podcast episode is worth your time IMO.
https://twitter.com/doomsday_pod/status/1501606237921763330
https://twitter.com/doomsday_pod/status/1501606237921763330
DonQuixote99
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Tucker Carlson is pushing that one here.
DonQuixote99
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Maybe someone can explain to Putin that real power would be to show up at the talks and say "I forgive you!"
Tucker Carlson is pushing that one here.
Carlson in my opinion needs to be locked up for treason, or at least sent to Russia to live, what a t#@t.
TheDecameron
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Moscow Rose Carlson is permanently on all fours for Putin. It begs the bigger question though- we need to talk about Rupert. He is one of the most malignant influences in our societies and it’s time for an exorcismTucker Carlson is pushing that one here.
paulfromcamden
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I feel bad for ordinary folk in Russia. It seems clear that the country is reverting back to something like it's pre-Glasnost / Cold War state. Life is going to be a lot less fun for most people.
laughingboy
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I wouldn't express it those terms, but I can see your point.
As a non-expert, my view is that the 1996 election was the pivotal mistake when it comes to what we are seeing now. The Wikipedia page on the loans for shares scheme suggests that the scheme was overseen by the US, via Anatoly Chubais and USAID.
My takeaway is that the US made a massive strategic error. Nominally, in order to put down a return to communism, the US was installing free market capitalism and democracy. Perhaps things had gone too far off-course before this point for a better path to be found, but the US's actions in 1995-6 were too quick and dirty, too corrupt. By supporting free market capitalism via the loans for shares scheme, the US hung democracy out to dry. It ensured that the 1996 election would be corrupt, which ultimately meant no democracy at all.
For those interested, Glyndeborne have organised a concert in support of Ukraine. You can book tickets here:
https://www.glyndebourne.com/events/concert-for-ukraine/
https://www.glyndebourne.com/events/concert-for-ukraine/
mandryka
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Thanks. The first half at least reinforces something which came up here before -- that you can't make the assumption that people in a war context are acting as informed rational agents trying to get the best results they can. I also was glad to hear his (brief) discussion of the nuclear threat.
I haven't heard the second half.
paulfromcamden
Baffled
Interesting article on Ukraine's notorious neo-nazi Azov regiment.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment
I'm surprised by Facebook's decision to temporarily lift their ban on discussing them, specifically so they can be praised as defenders of Ukraine.
“For the time being, we are making a narrow exception for praise of the Azov regiment strictly in the context of defending Ukraine, or in their role as part of the Ukraine national guard”
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/1/who-are-the-azov-regiment
I'm surprised by Facebook's decision to temporarily lift their ban on discussing them, specifically so they can be praised as defenders of Ukraine.
“For the time being, we are making a narrow exception for praise of the Azov regiment strictly in the context of defending Ukraine, or in their role as part of the Ukraine national guard”
poppop
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Yes it was. Why cant these guys actually be "in power"!
matthewr
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They are experts and people are apparently sick of them. Also dude admitted he got some stuff wrong which is essential for an academic but would never work for a politician.
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