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UK Election 2015 (part III)

Minstrel SE said:
Yes can any tory voter tell me about the qualities of tory politicians that they relate to.

Is that who you aspire to be because its deeply deeply worrying. Come on lets hear it! Is it the plummy voice which exudes class and confidence :D Do you just feel your money is safer with the tories and **** everyone else eh!

I never found smarmy, two faced, condescending tory spivs to be attractive qualities in a human being :)
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Hopefully it's not about the individuals and their personal characteristics (although I have to confess to punching the air when Balls lost his seat, based on purely on my immense dislike for his personality), it's about their policies and whether the voters think there's a hope in hell of them delivering on their promises.

Blair and Brown dealt a deadly blow to Labour's credibility.
Clegg's U-turn on tuition fees did same for the LibDems.
The Tories actually delivered on their austerity program and since things might be a bit better than 2009, they have a bit of credibility.
 
Blzebub said:
It's such a general question, how can I possibly answer? It's the third-largest employer on the planet.

If you are asking me was it on its knees? No, it wasn't.
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I don't think many people grasp quite how complex the NHS is and more to the point, health is a moving target in terms of how resources should be allocated.

The fact that under Labour they introduced innovative investment schemes should be an indicator that all governments are going to have to explore mechanisms to ensure it's competitive and value for money.

For what it's worth I am not a fan of any form of privatisation of the NHS but I despair at the ability of the NHS to develop effective management talent from within, and secondly to develop a culture of delivering value and efficiency.

Some whingers sound as if they just want it 'funded' and left the same as it always has been; I don't know of any organisations that can compete in such a changing environment without having to accept significant change.

I get the feeling that as changes are made (whatever they are) there will be cries of 'look I told you so!' I have a distant cousin who is a senior civil servant and has been doing a report on the future of the NHS, it is a significant challenge and I doubt many people will enjoy the contents.
 
S-Man said:
Blair and Brown dealt a deadly blow to Labour's credibility.
Clegg's U-turn on tuition fees did same for the LibDems.
The Tories actually delivered on their austerity program and since things might be a bit better than 2009, they have a bit of credibility.
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They might actually turn out to be the best of a bad lot. What I really didn't want was a Lab-SNP pact. The SNP whining about "legitimacy" has started already, I notice.
 
TPA said:
I don't think many people grasp quite how complex the NHS is and more to the point, health is a moving target in terms of how resources should be allocated.

The fact that under Labour they introduced innovative investment schemes should be an indicator that all governments are going to have to explore mechanisms to ensure it's competitive and value for money.

For what it's worth I am not a fan of any form of privatisation of the NHS but I despair at the ability of the NHS to develop effective management talent from within, and secondly to develop a culture of delivering value and efficiency.

Some whingers sound as if they just want it 'funded' and left the same as it always has been; I don't know of any organisations that can compete in such a changing environment without having to accept significant change.

I get the feeling that as changes are made (whatever they are) there will be cries of 'look I told you so!' I have a distant cousin who is a senior civil servant and has been doing a report on the future of the NHS, it is a significant challenge and I doubt many people will enjoy the contents.
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We have an ageing (and fattening) population which is increasing. Healthcare gets more expensive as new technology and drugs become available.

I think hard choices will have to be made, such as: should the NHS fund infertility treatment, or should that be paid for privately? Is having children a right or a privilege?

Should we tax unhealthy food?

Hi S-man, yes I noticed.
 
Jonathan Ribee said:
So if the New Labour list of idiotic mismanagement is only 68 points, this proves the NHS would be safer with reds running the beds? :)


How do we design a better health service processes? Well, obviously, we start with the snappiest soundbite and work from there...
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JR, Labour should have hired you for their spin team

Reds running the beds, I think people wold have gone for that :D
 
Mullardman said:
They promise spending on the NHS. What they omit to tell you is that they will push it through a filter of private companies of their choosing, owned by their mates.

It really isn't difficult to see.
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If they omit to tell us..how do you know it as a fact?

Does "It really isn't difficult to see" mean that you can see it with a crystal ball?
 
This guy makes a good point. Ok, my point, but a good one none the less :)

 
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Blzebub said:
The SNP whining about "legitimacy" has started already, I notice.
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Yesterday you were very publicly filling your nappy about the looming one party state, the national socialist party, the feral out of control police force and the racist intimidation. Will you be lifting your skirts and running now the prophecy has come to be?
 
TheDecameron said:
Yesterday you were very publicly filling your nappy about the looming one party state, the national socialist party, the feral out of control police force and the racist intimidation. Will you be lifting your skirts and running now the prophecy gas come to be?
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I'll wait and see how things go up here. I think when the SNP don't get their way, things might turn ugly.

Congratulations on helping the Tories achieve a majority, btw. You must be proud.
 
Blzebub said:
I'll wait and see how things go up here. Congratulations on helping the Tories achieve a majority, btw. You must be proud.
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The folks that helped the Tories get a majority where Tory voters like yourself and the incompetence of the Labour party in England. Labour were so far behind in England that the seats in Scotland weren't a factor. Even if they'd have held the 40 seats they lost in Scotland the Tories would still have a majority and would still be 60 seats ahead of Labour.
 
Yet you were claiming the bullying, the intimidation and racism were real and present and you'll sit and wait to see how things pan out. It sounded desperate yesterday, maybe they're taking the day off?
 
Mark EJ said:
I'm very puzzled at this. Exactly how does the existence of "globalisation, fast comms and technology" affect the desirability of elected MPs to be accountable to their electorates? PR removes accountability, pure and simple.
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What I meant was that many years ago, before telephones, computers and tv's, it was necessary to have a local MP to represent an area. He/she would know what was going on in their respective constituency, what the people wanted/needed and hopefully, represented them. Today is different. We know what is going on half way around the world almost instantaneously. We don't need to rely on a representative to ride on horseback to a central location to inform anyone of anything so local MP's aren't as necessary....especially when a lot of them aren't from or don't live in the area they allegedly represent. And local needs are fulfilled by local councillors so the MP's aren't as involved in the myriad of local matters as perhaps they once were.

I read an on line exchange between some local people and our MP on matters to do with traffic congestion amongst other things and the MP virtually said that none of the matters raised were anything he did or could deal with.

FPTP was simple, easy to understand and an easy way to establish an MP for an area..... but things have moved on. People aren't just left or right, Labour or Tory anymore. Issues are more complex now. The Tory's have a majority with 36.9% of the vote based on a 66.1% turnout. So in reality, just over 24% of the electorate voted for them and yet they will be making decisions for the other 76%. In fact the top two parties still wouldn't have 50% of the actual electorate between them. This isn't what I call a proper democratic process. It's better than nothing I'm sure BUT it's not the only option anymore. We've stopped using horses and replaced them with the car yet we still continue with an electoral process from the same era.

Mark EJ said:
I'm in complete agreement there. See:
http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?t=172856 (but you do need an attention span).

No! If I elect someone to represent me in the Commons, I don't want some Dominic Grieve-alike shaven-head phukwit deciding someone else is going to do it! Why? Because the bloke I elected can then say 'not me guv', and is not accountable because party machinery got in the way. Granted, there are already a number of ways for this to happen, but let's not enshrine it in the constitution. Bollocks to that -- if I elected someone who doesn't bullsh1t, I don't want him censored for marketing reasons.
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That's fair enough as you seem to take your representative seriously. But I'd argue as to how many people vote for the man/woman vs the party? There are some shockingly bad MP's out there who get elected regardless because the affiliation to the party. I'm inclined to want the best MP's from all parties to argue or put their respective cases forward....not the ones who happen to be in the safest seats. But it's unlikely to change when the party in power is one of the ones that gains the most from the current system. The LibDems had their chance to change it in 2011 but were somehow conned into the AV option. Pity but there we are.
 
SteveG said:
The folks that helped the Tories get a majority where Tory voters like yourself and the incompetence of the Labour party in England. Labour were so far behind in England that the seats in Scotland weren't a factor. Even if they'd have held the 40 seats they lost in Scotland the Tories would still have a majority and would still be 60 seats ahead of Labour.
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He was claiming to be a Labour voter among many other claims yesterday. He's also claimed to have been a victim of racism along with all the nazi stuff, yet he's just 'sitting tight'. It doesn't quite ring true.
 
TheDecameron said:
He was claiming to be a Labour voter among many other claims yesterday. He's also claimed to have been a victim of racism along with all the nazi stuff, yet he's just 'sitting tight'. It doesn't quite ring true.
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I just assuming he'd been drinking when he posted that stuff.
 
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