Wikipedia says that they were conventional front engine rear drive, so as you say it must have just been mounted fairly high up. Only 1200cc too, which at 1300kg would have given leisurely performance.
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gintonic
50 shades of grey pussy cats
Sport Button: depends on the packs or features thd car has. If it has Sports Chrono, it'll sharpen throttle response. On a PDK equipped car gear shifts are sharper, on a Turbo, you get a slightly improved turbo boost.This button (yes, it needs a clean)
EDIT: I don't know what any of the bottom row of button do.
On a standard Carrera it applies a engine remapp to give improved throttle response
One on the left looking like a spoiler, will raise and lower the rear spoiler
the next one is for PASM - Porsche Active Suspension Management- adjusts the suspension
The last one PSM on the right is for Porsche stability management - essentially traction control
gintonic
50 shades of grey pussy cats
on a 992 I have a steering wheel mounted adjuster
Screenshot_20231228_144829_Chrome by uh_simon, on Flickr
Screenshot_20231228_143757_Chrome by uh_simon, on Flickrtwist it to change driving mode normal, sport, sport plus and individual. Press the button in the centre for some super boost (Sports Response).
on my 991 is was in the centre consol next to the gear shift
20201120_133626 by uh_simon, on Flickr
gintonic
50 shades of grey pussy cats
991 Targa 4S interior
20190416_165852 by uh_simon, on Flickr
992 Carrera S Convertible interior
Screenshot_20211218-142525_Chrome by uh_simon, on Flickr
note the only real dial remaining is the rev counter
Meanwhile the Macan Turbo had many many proper buttons in the centre console - my inner child loved all the buttons
2017-01-10_06-22-05 by uh_simon, on Flickr
20190416_165852 by uh_simon, on Flickr992 Carrera S Convertible interior
Screenshot_20211218-142525_Chrome by uh_simon, on Flickrnote the only real dial remaining is the rev counter
Meanwhile the Macan Turbo had many many proper buttons in the centre console - my inner child loved all the buttons
2017-01-10_06-22-05 by uh_simon, on Flickr
Philip Read
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I missed which model 911 you’re discussing (2009 model? Probably a 997.2) and whether you’ve bought it, hired for a short period or something else but something I haven’t seen mentioned is that the 997 was the last of the hydraulic steering models. The first few attempts at electric steering from Porsche on the later (991 > models) missed the feel and weight of the hydraulic system.
As mentioned, the sport button selects a ‘sharper’ map for the engine and (on tip and PDK ‘boxes) quicker changes as well as holding onto gears longer and dropping down a gear more readily in auto mode.
On the turbo models you get a higher boost pressure for a limited time (no limit with the TurboS model - these had larger stock intercoolers to help prevent heat soak. Only really an issue on track as the 10 second overboost limit on the non S would see you into serious licence-losing territor). It’s not Road-speed related, rather engine speed.
If it’s a car you’ve bought I suggest the first thing you should think about changing on a PASM equipped car if the PASM controller - the standard settings of either fairly soft (compared to other sports cars) or absolutely bone crushingly stiff and all but unusable on any road away from perfect tarmac aren’t exactly ideal of you like ‘making progress’.
I thoroughly recommend a DSC PASM controller - transforms the handling into what it should have been from the factory. Plenty online and the Porsche forums singing the praises. Not cheap but a bargain.
gintonic
50 shades of grey pussy cats
can't agree with that having driven a few 997's and owned a 991 and now a 992.
Each to their own but after 3 years with a 996.2 and 4 with a 997.1T I tried a 991.1 and it seemed to be a backward step losing the feel of the earlier cars, the way it would weight-up the steering beautifully and just got better with the addition of DSC controller.
Not driven a 992 of any type yet so can’t comment on those.
Just an opinion.
The engine placement that shouldn’t really work can be a blessing on corner exits compared to any FWD, most RWD and a lot of 4WD from other marques. Obviously, like any car, it can bite pretty hard if you get a little too cocky.
Fatmarley
"It appears my intelligence circuits have melted"
It's a 2009 Carrera 4 3.6ltr. Is that a 997.2?
I've only borrowed it for a few days. The steering is a bit stiff, but it feels right to me.
As for the suspension, you can definitely feel every bump in the road.
Almost sure to be a .2 then which avoids most of the issues with bore scoring although there’s a slim chance it could be a late-registered .1.
If you’re used to driving modern cars with finger-light steering the the 911 experience can feel a little old-school but starts to make sense as you up the pace. I drive a lot of new cars (hire-ins as part of my job) and they feel numb in comparison and isolate the driver from the road. I get the idea behind this - the type of cars I’m talking about (Corsa, Fiesta, Focus etc) and more of a white goods product and do their job well.
The issue with PASM is the calibration from standard - the shocks and damping are pretty good but the standard settings are something like 25% ‘stiffness’ in normal but jumps to 100% with sport settings. In soft they roll around in bends like a bus but can be quite comfortable.
Since fitting the DSC module I just leave it in sport mode and even on my favourite roads (bumpy and narrow B-roads) the damping and body control is fantastic- you can plug it into a laptop too and change settings to suit if that’s your thing.
gez
pfm Member
What do you mean by "sharper" map for the engine? Because as far as I was aware the only thing the sport button does on any manual porsche is change the throttle mapping*. (though technically that is an "engine map" change).
*though on some model years (not sure if all) it'll also alter the suspension setting when PASM is installed, open the exhaust valve if PSE is fitted and stiffen the engine/drivetrain mounts (can't recall what Porsche call that option) .
It must be said, Porsche's own explanations for what the sports and sports+ buttons do leaves a lot to be desired in terms of clarity.
gez
pfm Member
The rear lights were different between the .1 and .2 (along with a few other visual changes I believe):
The PCM changed too (.2 is to the left, .1 to the right):
Fatmarley
"It appears my intelligence circuits have melted"
You're welcome to 'steer' the thread back to hypercars.This thread seems to have gone off topic and turned into "my specialist subject is the steering feel of the Porsche 911: all variants from narrow to wide".
Still, I suppose this is the off topic room
Agreed, Porsche don’t seem too keen on giving exact details.
Maybe my fault for using vague terms but by ‘sharper’ I mean a quicker response to throttle input - where 10% more throttle in ‘normal’ would give X opening of injectors in sport mode that same 10% of throttle movement might give X+ 10% for example.
It makes the car feel more alert especially on less than full throttle.
I keep mine in sport mode permanently.
Active engine mounts (PADM) first appeared on the 997.2 as far as I know.
Sport button when first pressed activates both engine and suspension modes but on mine you can then select which you want to keep activated.
Because lots of .1 owners changes rear lights and updated the PCM, the easiest way to spot the models is to lift the rear engine cover - the .2 look different with a direct injection engine.
I mentioned the steering feel once for Christ's sake (immediately followed by someone disagreeing)This thread seems to have gone off topic and turned into "my specialist subject is the steering feel of the Porsche 911: all variants from narrow to wide".
Still, I suppose this is the off topic room
Hypercars - the nearest I’ve been to them is an Aventador SV and SVJ owned by a couple of down to earth lads who show up occasionally in a little ‘car club’ I’m a member of - even they will say those cars are closer to top super cars rather than hypercars such as F1s, those Sweed Kone-Egg things, 918 Spyders etc.
A little anecdote- a couple of years ago I managed to persuade my daughter to get out of bed at 7.30 on a Sunday morning (no mean feat I can tell you) to jump in the Porsche with me and have a ride up to a local meet at a pub with some nice cars attending. Nothing big but they put on food and decent coffee and anything made on the day went to a local hospice.
Im in the North East and the easiest way to get there included travelling through the Tyne Tunnel - a couple of miles on the approach from the south I caught a couple of R8 V10s, a TVR and a Nissan GTR with an exhaust that wouldn‘t look out of place on a Max Power magazine cover from the early 90s. Behind, closing quickly, an Aventador SVJ, Huracan and a Ferrari 599 with a full Tubi exhaust.
The noise - bloody hell!
The SVJ sounded bloody excellent as he passed but top honours to that Ferrari - what a glorious noise.
My daughter mentioned it last week and still remembers it vividly - those days are going to be rarer as time moves on and it’s a shame.
Lairy exhausts are fun/antisocial, I’ll never forget coming down the A3 into the Hindhead tunnel many years ago at a bit beyond midnight and I’d been slowly catching up to an interesting looking pair of tail lights for the last couple of miles. Turns out it was a Ferrari 308 (I think) I pulled alongside just before we reach the tunnel and yelled out ‘ does it sound good, then I drop back to about 30mph, he did the same. We then ran the length of the tunnel doing 2nd gear pulls to redline and dropping back so the other could reply. I had a Honda Integra TypeR with lightly played with engine and an exhaust off a JDM Touring car, so 9000rpm with an angry pops and flames. No other cars about, very childish, both exited the tunnel laughing like children gave each other a thumbs up, wave and on our way. Can’t do that with an EV, I’ll miss silly things like that.
daytona600
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If my numbers came up Modern hyper car or 250 GT Berlinetta
Whaleblue
Southbound
Are you suggesting there’s a choice involved???If my numbers came up Modern hyper car or 250 GT Berlinetta