The 2023 Formula One Season
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tones
Tones deaf
Money, dear boy, only thing that matters.
Tony Lockhart
Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity
I know that, but crikey, it’s just saddening to see it happen.
Enfield boy
pfm Member
Not if CVC and Liberty are anything to go by.
Tony Lockhart
Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity
It’s not the nationality of the owners at all. It’s the rapid taking over of a large chunk of F1, mixed with that Netflix thing.
Yes, America can put on one heck of a show.
No, we didn’t like drivers being ‘introduced’ to the world before the race.
More and more now, I find myself not planning my Sundays around the race. When there were 16 races, every race was important. Now? Naaa. And I used to enjoy the 30 minutes of build up, Brundle’s grid walk etc. Now? It’s utter crap and I watch from about a minute before.
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Whaleblue
Southbound
Fair points. FWIW I actually get more out of it by watching more of the build up - F1 is as much about developments off the track as it is about the actual racing. I know you know this, but that’s me for now.
Uncle Roach
pfm Member
I used to enjoy the whole buzz and razzmatazz before the race but these days I switch it on a couple of minutes before the start, skipping all the circus.
The amount of money a team has to spend in a given year has been made less important by the budget cap, designed to bring team's laptimes closer together on the track. In theory all teams have the same amount of money to spend on developing and running their race cars. But the bigger teams have the advantage of having spent big for years before the budget cap and so might have a better wind tunnel or a better simulator or a better system to manage parts (thereby making them more efficient and can spend more on car development) etc. As soon as the rules were announced the big teams employed specialist engineering accountants to go through the rules and find ways to enable spend on the car without it counting towards the budget cap.
The only team on the grid understood to not be at the budget cap send limit, is Haas and so having extra income for Alpine is only like to have a secondary effect (e.g. the ability to have people part time on F1 and part time on other engineering projects, just like Mercedes F1, Ferrari and Red Bull have done).
Other changes to close up the grid include the amount of time that a team is allowed to run in the wind or Computational Fluid Dynamics (the most effective tools to help deliver performance) was set based on where you finished in the championship. With teams getting less and less time the closer you get to the front of the grid.
So the grid should have closed up considerably, which it has, apart from RBR who have used the new technical rules (led by Adrian Newey) to develop much better cars for 2022 and for 2023.
Yank
Bulbous Also Tapered
I'll put on the pre-race show, but I'm likely to be doing a crossword puzzle or Squaredle while it's on. It's just background noise.
wow&flutter
pfm Member
The boys relaxing
Dogging just isn’t the same without cars is it! I guess it took a few years before women were invited
There is much less money involved in the American version of F1, Indycar. And much more exiting to watch.
tones
Tones deaf
That's largely because, to ensure close racing, the US uses very standardised cars - essentially one chassis (from Dallara), a choice of two engines (Chevrolet or Honda) and limited aerodynamic packages. This produces close racing. However, such an approach is outside the whole idea of F1, and therein lies the problem - to maintain this particular ethos (to please the enthusiasts) and ensure close racing (to please the sponsors and the public).
2ManyBoxes
pfm Member
It's a tricky balance between putting on a show and putting on a genuine race.
The American example of Nascar or Indycar is not something I could stand to watch because it's too obvious to me that they're pulling fake full course yellows to increase the 'entertainment'.
They're not above doing that to send the current leader to the back if they don't like him (see Juan Pablo Montoya in his first races) . That makes a mockery of the whole thing.
The American example of Nascar or Indycar is not something I could stand to watch because it's too obvious to me that they're pulling fake full course yellows to increase the 'entertainment'.
They're not above doing that to send the current leader to the back if they don't like him (see Juan Pablo Montoya in his first races) . That makes a mockery of the whole thing.
martin dawson
pfm Member
I find a bit rich Hamilton wanting to restrict teams dominating like Red Bull are at the moment. Considering the years of domination by Mercedes where he won 6 titles and Rosberg won one.
Regards,
Martin
Regards,
Martin
Tony Lockhart
Avoiding Stress, at Every Opportunity
Not really.
F1 is looking for ways to close up the field, and Lewis has suggested something that’s worth looking at.
SteveS1
I heard that, pardon?
Teams tend to do that. Just for clarification, the spin has been a little naughty here, what Hamilton is advocating has been mentioned before and is about limiting development time across the board.
Oops Max, perhaps check with your boss before .....
"We weren’t talking about that when he was winning his Championships, right?" said the Red Bull star. "So I don’t think we should now. That’s how Formula One works. When you have a competitive car it’s great, but at one point you also have to look ahead to the next year."
However, a look back to 2015 proves Verstappen wrong as Red Bull team principal Horner directly called on the FIA to make it a fairer fight.
Personally I think they are both right, albeit it would be better if they both thought so when it was working for them.
Yes. Exactly.
2ManyBoxes
pfm Member
Rejoice fellow F1 fans for the month of July is upon us with a smorgasbord of F1:
2nd - Austria
9th - British
23rd - Hungary
30th - Belgium
If you watch other motorsports as well then there's also
21st - WRC Estonia
23rd - IMSA Lime Rock
Truly our cup floweth over except that Verstappen is going to win it all, probably including the WRC
2nd - Austria
9th - British
23rd - Hungary
30th - Belgium
If you watch other motorsports as well then there's also
21st - WRC Estonia
23rd - IMSA Lime Rock
Truly our cup floweth over
except that Verstappen is going to win it all, probably including the WRC