Arkless Electronics
Trade: Amp design and repairs.
I didn't forget.
Sub high or low level input
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I didn't forget.
Amber Audio
This is the Day
So you’re actually stating that REL are talking bollox, it’s laughable you think that you know better than one of the oldest Sub manufacturers in the UK (1990) about how to connect up the product they make and have sold for 32 years.
Arkless Electronics
Trade: Amp design and repairs.
I don't expect you or anyone else to think anything other than that. It's still bollox and I'm still right though.
As I keep banging on about, almost everything said about hi fi by magazines, manufacturers and dealers is a pack of lies designed to part the gullible from their money. Hi fi has become EXACTLY like the cosmetics industry...
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Amber Audio
This is the Day
You get the high level cable for free with every REL subwoofer - your logic falls down about it being profit gouging. They could have saved a shed load of money by not including one over the last 30 years.
Not sure what lip gloss and foundation you’re using so can’t comment on whether you’re getting ripped off.
Arkless Electronics
Trade: Amp design and repairs.
Beobloke
pfm Member
To be fair, they’re still telling you to put your sub in the corner of the room, so they still have a long way to go…
Amber Audio
This is the Day
You better give them a call and set them straight then.
Amber Audio
This is the Day
Not unusual for well established sub manufactures to recommend High Level when a Sub is going to be used in a Stereo Hi Fi environment.BK Electronics advocate high level input use too, here’s the manual I have with mine:
REL are not alone in recommending corner/semi corner placement, a couple smallish outfits - Steinway Lyngdorf and Martin Logan for example
Amber Audio
This is the Day
Choose - follow RELs advice or follow advice from random folk on an Internet forum. If you haven't already, consider using electronic methods to integrate said Sub - MiniDSP or Antimode DSpeaker for example.
PhilDick
pfm Member
@Arkless Electronics Do you not think that the bit about picking up the signature sound of the power amp has any validity? If not why?
ToTo Man
the band not the dog
How does this square with the advice to connect the high level inputs on the subs to the speaker outputs on your power amp? AFAIK miniDSP boxes do not offer high level inputs or outputs?
Amber Audio
This is the Day
It’s a totally different method more akin to an AV system, many are still loathe to use any sort of digital EQ, just like the no tone control mantra from the ‘80s, in which case the High Level is what REL and others recommend.
I use both methods as and when appropriate.
pocketkitchen
Registered User
The REL method works. It’s not the only way but as Amber pointed out, they include the high level cable FOC. I find it easier to integrate. Nothing wrong with line level either but their pushing of this method has sod all to do with profit.
Anyway, ahem, I have a very high quality REL sub for sale in the classifieds, should anyone be interested.
Anyway, ahem, I have a very high quality REL sub for sale in the classifieds, should anyone be interested.
PhilDick
pfm Member
You could argue that providing a connection method that you can use on any amp (no sub or pre outs) is all about selling more subs
Darren L
Egalitarian
I've only ever tried the 'high level' connection from amplifier binding posts to the sub , no issues with getting the sub to integrate with the main speakers. My sub is from the same series as my speakers though based on a REL design.
None of the equipment I have owned has came with a line level dedicated sub output, my current pre only has a pair of pre-outs, in general I would have thought it would be mainly AV receivers or processors that are equipped with line level sub out RCA and the normal or established way to connect a sub was from the 'high level' binding posts output to the sub for stereo music systems.
None of the equipment I have owned has came with a line level dedicated sub output, my current pre only has a pair of pre-outs, in general I would have thought it would be mainly AV receivers or processors that are equipped with line level sub out RCA and the normal or established way to connect a sub was from the 'high level' binding posts output to the sub for stereo music systems.
Amber Audio
This is the Day
Sub out on hifi amplifiers is a relatively new thing - mainly the convergence of AV and Stereo with the inclusion of DACs and the popularity of the All in Ones like NAD/Lyngdorf/Naim Super Uniti 30 odd years ago High Level connection would have been the only sensible way to add a Sub to a stereo for most consumers.
pocketkitchen
Registered User
You could indeed and that’s fair enough. To accuse them of profit gouging though is a bit daft given that the other mode of connection is available regardless, though. When REL started selling subs there weren’t many on the market and home cinema wasn’t nearly as popular as it is now. Very different times. There’s not really much need any longer to provide a high level connection, I’d argue.
ToTo Man
the band not the dog
Before this thread I'd assumed that running pre-outs from a stereo amp into the low-level input of one or more sub/s was the most commonly deployed connection method.