gintonic
50 shades of grey pussy cats
that might be, but not due to the hood - haters will always hate. I quite like the look
Sports car chat
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richardg
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I like all the coupe versions........and the latest targa verison (to look at).
gintonic
50 shades of grey pussy cats
the most accomplished (in terms of what it did) pork we had was the Macan Turbo
2017-01-10_06-20-35 by uh_simon, on Flickr
2017-01-10_06-20-35 by uh_simon, on Flickr
richardg
Admonishtrator
Soz, wrong thread. Mods please delete the T-Roc!the most accomplished (in terms of what it did) pork we had was the Macan Turbo
Brown Bottle
UTB
gintonic
50 shades of grey pussy cats
Targa ownership experience was far more preferable (more to do with the 991 experience). i dont like the 992 very much - in the Carrera S guise it is more tourer than sports car. The 992 is faster......
Brown Bottle
UTB
gez
pfm Member
Porsche's have never been about straight line speed. That's not the game they play. For the money you'll pay for pretty much any Porsche (at least the Cayman/911 family), you can easily find far faster cars in a straight line.
As for the 911 vs Cayman question: depends on who you ask. The internet is full of 911 die hards that will never like any car better than they like their 911's. They like the cars particular handling characteristics. Others prefer the Cayman for it's more balanced and forgiving handling*
That's the word from those who've driven both any way.
*More than one motoring journalist has commented on how "docile" a mid engined car a Cayman is when it comes to stablity, but how it still benefits from all of the mid engined balance and rotation advantages.
911s of course were and still are about the way they feel as a GT.
Mid engine is a funny thing. I've seen it argued that a Caterham 7 is mid engine d. All the masses are inside the footprint and the engine is well back. I do remember that the steel blocked Supersprint was reckoned to be nose heavy, so one enthusiast with more time on his hands than most, and possibly more money than sense, refabricated the engine mounts and moved the engine back 4" or so, as far as he could without extensive chassis mods. It cured the understeer . The motoring may that tested it reckoned that maybe the mid point might have been the ideal. I think that it was later resolved by fitting a Zetec or a K series, being allot block they were lighter.
Cav
pfm Member
The general understanding is that mid-engined means the engine is behind the driver, but as you say, actually means it is in the middle of the chassis. Where the driver sits is immaterial. It is weight distribution that is important although many front wheel drive cars prove even that is not really true.
CageyH
pfm Member
Hopefully, above is a picture of my Caterham. It started life as a 1.6 Supersport, powered by a Rover K series engine. Claimed power was 135 BHP. It now has a 1.8 VHPD engine, a few other tweaks, mainly suspension based. On the rolling road it made 209.something BHP. Not bad for a car weighing about 520Kg.
To be honest, I probably had more fun on the road when it only had 135 BHP.
A ray of sunshine amongst all the Porsche talk!
Dowser
Learning to bodge again..
I bought a Tenere 700 motorbike last year - I’m finding I have more fun pushing it through twisties at 80kmh than doing the same in my Evo X with 380ps. In the Evo I’m doing stupid speeds to have the same 10/10 level of interaction, it’s faster than most other things on the road at 7/10…but that’s no fun compared to the bike. It shines on the track, but I’m getting a bit old for that. Am seriously considering swapping for a classic car of some sort (Escort anyone
) to try and get the fun factor back.The power to weight was roughly the same when you had 145bhp as it is with my VX currently; around 280bhp. Although I'm tempted to squeeze a few more horses towards 300bhp I think the driving experience would change for the worse.
I can second this. My 7 was the 1.4 ss, 128 bhp. I went out with other people, the 1.6 was similar, the R400 (about 180-190 bhp) and R500 (about 230 bhp) were faster obviously but both owners remarked on how much easier mine was to drive on the road and generally live with.
AnilS
pfm Member
I'll third this.
Nissan GTR taken from 480 bhp to 590 bhp.
Yes, faster but also less fun, less manageable and much less docile to drive. It was always angry.
gez
pfm Member
I really don't see the point (or fun to be had) in a vehicle that only needs 1/4 throttle to be doing daft acceleration and that reaches the legal limit in a few seconds. Sure there is the buzz from the absolute acceleration, but a) unless you're going to significanly break the speed limit it doesn't last very long and b) in the UK at least conditions are very often not conducive to actually being able to achieve it due to traction issues.
My current car has 215hp, capable of 0-60 in 6.2. Not fast by a lot of peoples squewed standards today*, but it's still more than quick enough to be illegal too easily. Would I enjoy a quicker car? Yes sure I would, but I geniunely can't see I'd ever want more than a car that is 50-60% quicker (in a straight line), so that would be circa 300-350hp. A 0-60 of mid to high 4s would be more than quick enough for me. I already have plenty of fun watching the person behind me in their "uber powered hatch" drop away as soon as we hit a corner**. Seems 95% of people are very good sticking their foot on the floor in a straight line but have no idea how to take a car around a corner quickly. (And I'm not even a particularly skilled driver).
*It amazes me that people call 5s 0-60 cars slow these days. I suspect most people who say such things have never driven a car that fast.
**To be clear, I am not racing anyone on the street. The stituation above happens frequently because people in such cars will often tailgate in an attempt to push you either a) out of the way or b) to break the speed limit.
My current car has 215hp, capable of 0-60 in 6.2. Not fast by a lot of peoples squewed standards today*, but it's still more than quick enough to be illegal too easily. Would I enjoy a quicker car? Yes sure I would, but I geniunely can't see I'd ever want more than a car that is 50-60% quicker (in a straight line), so that would be circa 300-350hp. A 0-60 of mid to high 4s would be more than quick enough for me. I already have plenty of fun watching the person behind me in their "uber powered hatch" drop away as soon as we hit a corner**. Seems 95% of people are very good sticking their foot on the floor in a straight line but have no idea how to take a car around a corner quickly. (And I'm not even a particularly skilled driver).
*It amazes me that people call 5s 0-60 cars slow these days. I suspect most people who say such things have never driven a car that fast.
**To be clear, I am not racing anyone on the street. The stituation above happens frequently because people in such cars will often tailgate in an attempt to push you either a) out of the way or b) to break the speed limit.