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Post-Trump: III (decline, further tantrums, legal proceedings, book deals etc)

There's the problem, endless - guy basically sucks up all the oxygen in the room. It's a version of Dame Nellie Melba's "love me or hate me, but don't ignore me". Not ignoring Trump is one of the reasons why the US is in the mess that it is.

Robert Reich points out a reason for this "success" in today's column:

I'm just bored with dolphins.
 
There's the problem, endless - guy basically sucks up all the oxygen in the room. It's a version of Dame Nellie Melba's "love me or hate me, but don't ignore me". Not ignoring Trump is one of the reasons why the US is in the mess that it is.

Robert Reich points out a reason for this "success" in today's column:

Insightful article - but slightly contradictory surely in that Trump ain't so dumb that he's actually had to pay a penny so far, he's simply got others to do it for him :)
 
Insightful article - but slightly contradictory surely in that Trump ain't so dumb that he's actually had to pay a penny so far, he's simply got others to do it for him :)
I think you have to remember the huge part that Fred Trump played in Donald's rise - it's the one useful insight that comes out of Mary Trump's otherwise bore of a book, just how much of a leg-up Donald got from Dad in terms of finance, contacts, etc. If you're wealthy in the USA, the normal rules don't apply - George W. Bush got to Harvard not on academic ability but on the fact that Dad and Granddad went there.
 
Didn't I read somewhere (back in 2016) that if he'd just put the value of his inherited assets under the bed, he'd have been rather richer. I.e. he's never made a penny overall.
 
I think you have to remember the huge part that Fred Trump played in Donald's rise - it's the one useful insight that comes out of Mary Trump's otherwise bore of a book, just how much of a leg-up Donald got from Dad in terms of finance, contacts, etc. If you're wealthy in the USA, the normal rules don't apply - George W. Bush got to Harvard not on academic ability but on the fact that Dad and Granddad went there.
True. And Fred taught him how to be a nasty slum landlord too.
 
Blokes a pure evil **** . Wtf attracts people towards it is weird. My take on it is Aliens from the planet Bluebottle have infected them and there attracted to shit as we know.
 
Trump predicts/threatens "bloodbath," call migrants "animals." Nothing new, but the rhetoric ticks upwards in the direct threat level, I think. And this latest rally was way to close to me, maybe 45 min away. But God, if he talks like this now, what will the rhetoric escalate to in the coming months?

https://open.substack.com/pub/rober...te?r=4619s&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

That’ll win over the undecided. He’s desperate because he knows full well the numbers do not work for him. Oh and the money - it’s not there. :)
 
Blokes a pure evil **** . Wtf attracts people towards it is weird. My take on it is Aliens from the planet Bluebottle have infected them and there attracted to shit as we know.
No argument with the first sentence. With the second, I think those of us who aren't American and who therefore lack the necessary cultural background should tread warily. There is no doubt that poor education and right-wing media has played its part, but clearly there is an element of dissatisfaction in these people's lives into which Trump has inadvertently tapped. They don't like the system, which has done them no favours, so they want to hit back at it in some way. As Weimar Germany found out to its cost, the appearance of a Moses figure who is going to take them to the Promised Land is appealing. I've heard some Trump supporters say that they'd be completely happy with Trump as a dictator - it would appear that the much-lauded US idea of democracy no longer has any appeal for them.

We tend to forget that Americans are taught that their country is the greatest in the world, where things are better than anywhere else. And this is true for some, but not for all. The dread of "socialism" and "handouts" comes with the territory. The belief is that, if you roll up your sleeves and work hard, you too can be as rich as Bill Gates. Except that this has now crashed into reality, and has come off second best.

Perhaps we have simply hit one of those societal turning points, where automation and globalisation has produced changes that are irreversible - I used to visit Ohio regularly, a place where many of the great industries that powered the region for so long have gone, and aren't coming back. Whatever the reason, many working-class Americans feel that the system isn't delivering for them and Trump's MAGA pitch, returning the USA to some previous and highly imaginary Golden Age, appeals to them.

The big job that the Democrats need to do is somehow reach these people and assure them that they're attempting to address these concerns. There will be those MAGA types who simply don't want to be reached, and of course what a US President does or doesn't do often has no effect whatsoever on the economy. But they need to get out the message, and Democrats are notoriously poor on messaging.
 
How in gods name is a serial grifter who cares not one iota to the less well off apart from their money is going to help them? Some people are beyond help. Surely there there are more sane people of voting age that realise what Trump is.
 
No argument with the first sentence. With the second, I think those of us who aren't American and who therefore lack the necessary cultural background should tread warily. There is no doubt that poor education and right-wing media has played its part, but clearly there is an element of dissatisfaction in these people's lives into which Trump has inadvertently tapped. They don't like the system, which has done them no favours, so they want to hit back at it in some way. As Weimar Germany found out to its cost, the appearance of a Moses figure who is going to take them to the Promised Land is appealing. I've heard some Trump supporters say that they'd be completely happy with Trump as a dictator - it would appear that the much-lauded US idea of democracy no longer has any appeal for them.

We tend to forget that Americans are taught that their country is the greatest in the world, where things are better than anywhere else. And this is true for some, but not for all. The dread of "socialism" and "handouts" comes with the territory. The belief is that, if you roll up your sleeves and work hard, you too can be as rich as Bill Gates. Except that this has now crashed into reality, and has come off second best.

Perhaps we have simply hit one of those societal turning points, where automation and globalisation has produced changes that are irreversible - I used to visit Ohio regularly, a place where many of the great industries that powered the region for so long have gone, and aren't coming back. Whatever the reason, many working-class Americans feel that the system isn't delivering for them and Trump's MAGA pitch, returning the USA to some previous and highly imaginary Golden Age, appeals to them.

The big job that the Democrats need to do is somehow reach these people and assure them that they're attempting to address these concerns. There will be those MAGA types who simply don't want to be reached, and of course what a US President does or doesn't do often has no effect whatsoever on the economy. But they need to get out the message, and Democrats are notoriously poor on messaging.
The Licoln Project are doing a good job of getting the message across that Trump is an existential threat to America as we know it:


The Democrats need to up their ante with similar hard-hitting campaigns.
 
How in gods name is a serial grifter who cares not one iota to the less well off apart from their money is going to help them? Some people are beyond help. Surely there there are more sane people of voting age that realise what Trump is.
Partially because he sounds just like them, and not like a "normal" politician. Trump has successfully trashed all norms of decorum and decency in political behaviour. An interesting example, not specifically Trumpian, but very much related to the world he has introduced, is in today's NYT:


This is a long way from St. Billy Graham, who insisted that his male workers never dined alone with women not their wives.
 
That’ll win over the undecided. He’s desperate because he knows full well the numbers do not work for him. Oh and the money - it’s not there. :)
There are two ways to work the numbers in an election: get people to vote for you, and get people to not vote for the other. Trump is esp good at the second. RFK Jr. looks to be a help there.
 
There are two ways to work the numbers in an election: get people to vote for you, and get people to not vote for the other. Trump is esp good at the second. RFK Jr. looks to be a help there.

Interested that you think RFK Jr. would take significant Democrat or independent votes, I see him as pulling some of Trump’s fringe.
 
Interested that you think RFK Jr. would take significant Democrat or independent votes, I see him as pulling some of Trump’s fringe.
People who don't like either Trump or Biden are RFK possibles. In particular, a chunk of the black Democratic vote could get wedged off.
 
Racist thick as **** turd vote for trump racist believe in sausages and angels vote for divvy family. Vote biden for **** knows
 


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