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Post-Trump: III (decline, further tantrums, legal proceedings, book deals etc)

matthewr said:
Which brings us back to the question of can you give us an example of MSNBC being unreliable where unreliable means systemically wrong in all reporting for a sustained period on generationally significant news event? Fox's failures here are disqualifying in a way that every other source on your list are not no matter how right wing.

I think your problem here (and it's not an uncommon one) is that the testimony and evidence we are seeing from the Dominion case means that the slight veneer of plausible deniability about the true nature of Fox has collapsed and it's just no longer possible to credibly defend the channel. Everyone can see it for what it is now and to not admit this is to put oneself in the 30% of US population that forms the Trumpian base with all the negative traits that implies.
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Game, set, match.
 
matthewr said:
I think your problem here (and it's not an uncommon one) is that the testimony and evidence we are seeing from the Dominion case means that the slight veneer of plausible deniability about the true nature of Fox has collapsed and it's just no longer possible to credibly defend the channel. Everyone can see it for what it is now and to not admit this is to put oneself in the 30% of US population that forms the Trumpian base with all the negative traits that implies.
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You are fixated on Fox, that is certain. I am not. I have never defended Fox, here or elsewhere, so I'm not sure what you're on about.

My exposure to the various cable news outlets has long been limited almost exclusively to segments from their marquee names - Maddow and Scarborough in the case of MSNBC - which is all blatantly and obviously partisan, and selective in information presented. Which is fine. The cable networks all program to satisfy their viewers and generate advertising dollars. All of them have small viewerships - even mighty Fox comes in at something like 3 million viewers in a country of about 340 million people. To the extent I've seen reporting on hard news on any cable news outlets, always when travelling, it all mirrors the content, style, and often even order of other outlets like the main network news channels. I previously explained why I think all television news is poor quality.

Your false choice - "and to not admit this is to put oneself in the 30% of US population that forms the Trumpian base" - is strikingly close to "[e]ither you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
 
I hope she is called to give evidence, it’s going to be worth the wait:

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kensalriser said:
Smelling a bit sea lionish around here.
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His posts fit the pattern. He endlessly nitpicked and relentlessly pursued this topic, but oh so very politely. After being shown to be clearly wrong multiple times, he starts getting annoyed. His next move will either be anger, or he will assume the role of a wronged victim of abuse.
 
TheDecameron said:
I hope she is called to give evidence, it’s going to be worth the wait:

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Never thought I'd hear a porn-whore be described as a national treasure, let alone side with one against a former president of the USA, but here we are on the new frontier (cue Donald Fagen).

Regardless, it would be extra entertaining if they were to bring Karen McDougal and David Pecker(head) in as witnesses. Pecker has allegedly already admitted to numerous counts of the 'catch and kill' scheme on Trump's behalf.

There is also the case of a pregnant ex-Playboy bunny who was allegedly paid $1.6m by Trump on behalf of GOP fundraiser Elliott Broidy (who admitted to having knocked her up). Seems Broidy was either taking one for sperm team Donald or he has copious campaign finance dirt on the orange one.

I mean, $1.6 million, that's 12.3 porn-whore payoffs.
 
Todd A said:
You are fixated on Fox, that is certain. I am not. I have never defended Fox, here or elsewhere, so I'm not sure what you're on about.

My exposure to the various cable news outlets has long been limited almost exclusively to segments from their marquee names - Maddow and Scarborough in the case of MSNBC - which is all blatantly and obviously partisan, and selective in information presented. Which is fine. The cable networks all program to satisfy their viewers and generate advertising dollars. All of them have small viewerships - even mighty Fox comes in at something like 3 million viewers in a country of about 340 million people. To the extent I've seen reporting on hard news on any cable news outlets, always when travelling, it all mirrors the content, style, and often even order of other outlets like the main network news channels. I previously explained why I think all television news is poor quality.

Your false choice - "and to not admit this is to put oneself in the 30% of US population that forms the Trumpian base" - is strikingly close to "[e]ither you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
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Perhaps you could give some examples of where MSN were partisan to the point of being inaccurate and therefore untrustworthy and what the real facts were in respect of their reporting?
 
Hook said:
His posts fit the pattern. He endlessly nitpicked and relentlessly pursued this topic, but oh so very politely. After being shown to be clearly wrong multiple times, he starts getting annoyed. His next move will either be anger, or he will assume the role of a wronged victim of abuse.
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Who are we talking about here?
 
NeilR said:
He has to be a little bit careful here, the judge could decide to remand him in custody on Tuesday if he continues to threaten judges and Bragg etc.
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Just another count of attempting to incite violence against another public figure, a notable example having been Mike Pence. Seems this side of Trump's behaviour would make for another rather neat self-incriminating case against.

Regardless, it certainly would be nice to see only a few pathetic looking MAGA stragglers show up in NYC for his arraignment. Might knock a bit of the wind out of the sails.
 
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