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New movies with dead actors, and songs with dead singers.

eternumviti

eternumviti

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I find the prospect of AI produced film and music terrifying. It challenges every concept of creativity, and really makes me wonder if life is going to be worth living in the future.

Yesterday a cousin posted a clip from Pirates of the Caribbean with his face in place of Jack Sparrow's. Apart from the fact that he was slightly boss-eyed, it was utterly convincing, and all apparently done on an app on his bloody smartphone.

Now we have the prospect of new releases from Frank Sinatra and David Bowie.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2...sinatra?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

I'm sorry if the subject has been posted before. It makes me feel utterly miserable.
 
Blimey, the things people get angsty about. I couldn't give a toss about whether film actors are alive or dead. (Often it's hard to tell the difference). But the classics are all still out there, waiting to be rediscovered.
 
It does certainly detract from the art form, like the aging effects in The Irishman or the tour that was just a Ronnie James Dio hologram. Yeah not for me.
 
eternumviti said:
I find the prospect of AI produced film and music terrifying. It challenges every concept of creativity, and really makes me wonder if life is going to be worth living in the future.

Yesterday a cousin posted a clip from Pirates of the Caribbean with his face in place of Jack Sparrow's. Apart from the fact that he was slightly boss-eyed, it was utterly convincing, and all apparently done on an app on his bloody smartphone.

Now we have the prospect of new releases from Frank Sinatra and David Bowie.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2...sinatra?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

I'm sorry if the subject has been posted before. It makes me feel utterly miserable.
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He might get the part in any remake.
One thing’s for sure Depp won’t.
 
We won’t know if we’re living or not in the future... not too sure now, sometimes.
 
The OPS brother will be delighted to know that his entire face profile is now on a server in Russia somewhere. lols.
 
Is it so very different to sampling?

Better get used to it as software gets evermore sophisticated.

Seems more sad than anything else - the deceased being ripped-off.
 
MikeMA said:
I think I agree with EV. Modern cinema is mostly utter crap anyway, but the rot accelerated with the onset of CGI and it's been going ever more rapidly downhill ever since.
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I never got over the talkies taking over...
 
I always hoped that Blade Runner 2049 featured the real Sean Young, but even though her name does feature in the credits, I believe it was archival footage of her, de-aged and superimposed over a stand in actress, which was a shame. Not really the same as "dead people", but it is incredible what they can do now.

In response to the OP, I'm not so much bothered about dead people featuring in film or music. If it's created artificially, I'd like to think I could notice. If not, and if it evokes the correct feelings inside me, does it really matter...? I just don't believe it will ever succeed in doing that though.

When I watch youtube videos I often get bombarded with adverts for these 'midi pack' programs which essentially let you make music by using pre-made building blocks that magically fit together, and to me, thats my Ai-made musical nightmare already arrived, devoid of all creativity.
 
eternumviti said:
I find the prospect of AI produced film and music terrifying. It challenges every concept of creativity, and really makes me wonder if life is going to be worth living in the future.

Yesterday a cousin posted a clip from Pirates of the Caribbean with his face in place of Jack Sparrow's. Apart from the fact that he was slightly boss-eyed, it was utterly convincing, and all apparently done on an app on his bloody smartphone.

Now we have the prospect of new releases from Frank Sinatra and David Bowie.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2...sinatra?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

I'm sorry if the subject has been posted before. It makes me feel utterly miserable.
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In the context of a novelty phone app where you can paste your own face onto a selection of movie scenes, it’s a bit of harmless fun.

I think it’s unethical personally to use it commercially, if an artist/actor isn’t happy with a piece of work, they will retake it, if they don’t like a song or a movie script, they will reject it. If they’re dead, they don’t have any say in it. Just let them rest, enjoy what they put out when they were alive, by their own approval.

The really scary misuse of it is where someone’s face is superimposed onto a sexually explicit video, that’s not good at all.
 
This thread keeps reminding me of when I saw (twice) "Lawrence of Arabia" in Panavision in a real cinema. Today's "effects" with computerised imagery are, to me, vulgar and not convincing. "Dunkirk" springs to mind, often looks like a vidfeo-game. But I'm 68.......
 
eternumviti said:
I find the prospect of AI produced film and music terrifying. It challenges every concept of creativity, and really makes me wonder if life is going to be worth living in the future.
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gintonic said:
how?
it excites me, a new tech. Its fantastic
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Have to agree wholeheartedly with GnT on this one. It won't kill creativity, just open up new angles on it. Based on chats with one of the offspring who is in the acting field, turns out there is a whole specialism growing around actors providing the underlying body movement, and facial expressions, and also the dialogue deliveries which the CG images and voice are then overlaid.

Reminded me in a way btw of an interview with Mick Channon who was the movement coach to the actor John Lynch in his role as George Best. They were working on a sequence trying to interleave actual B&W footage of Best back in the day with colour footage of Lynch trying to replicate his movements running rings around other players on a modern set. Lynch - being keen to do a good job of one of his own boyhood idols complained that despite days' worth of rehearsal and half a dozen takes, he still moved nothing even remotely like Best. Channon told him not to worry too much about it; explained to him that if the most accomplished world-class soccer players of the time were unable to read Best's body language or figure out and cope with all of the man's little shoulder-dip, body-feint dummys - what chance in hell would some journeyman actor have 20 years later :)
 
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