New Klimax LP12
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htm_1968
pfm Member
Nothing is perfect. Everything can be improved upon, however marginally.
david ellwood
Kirabosi Kognoscente
If li
It becomes stupid when customers stop buying it, what would be more stupid is to leave existing customers feeling abandoned and without an upgrade path.
Alun Rains
Jus Juan Cornetto
I guess an Audiophile will either judge perfection on the depth of their wallet OR when their brain finally tells them that enough is enough L.O.L.....
Interesting use of the words audiophile and brain in the same sentence.
Darren L
Egalitarian
Erm, there's quite a few other companies that have been building products for a considerable time without feeling the need to offer 'upgrades', do you think their customers feel abandoned without an upgrade path?
I don't have a problem with Linn offering upgrades or even the ludicrous prices of..well most of them really. I do object to them making it harder for the guy who lives at the bottom of the tree. Why not keep the old style bearing available for people who just want to maintain their deck without upgrading? Why charge £150 for a lid?
But as for changing to a different turntable or not offering upgrades, have you thought that through? I was just thinking about this earlier and we already know what the answer to that question would have been.
After the split both Ariston and Linn started from the same place, the RD11. Linn made changes to it right away, new bearing and pulley arrangement, and continued to upgrade it step by step for decades. Better bearings, sub-chassis, plinth, pretty much every part of the deck has been improved. Today the LP12 is still relevant and is one of the best known and loved turntables available.
By contrast, Ariston never made a deck that was better than the RD11! They changed it, yes, but they made it more complicated, added pointless and costly cosmetic frills but nothing that actually improved the performance of the thing. There was a continual stream of new models which were variations on the original design but didn't improve it and each model was sufficiently different that few parts were cross comparable.
So what if Linn had not upgraded the LP12 and had produced different turntables instead? That's what Ariston did and Ariston are gone. Linn got it right.
But as for changing to a different turntable or not offering upgrades, have you thought that through? I was just thinking about this earlier and we already know what the answer to that question would have been.
After the split both Ariston and Linn started from the same place, the RD11. Linn made changes to it right away, new bearing and pulley arrangement, and continued to upgrade it step by step for decades. Better bearings, sub-chassis, plinth, pretty much every part of the deck has been improved. Today the LP12 is still relevant and is one of the best known and loved turntables available.
By contrast, Ariston never made a deck that was better than the RD11! They changed it, yes, but they made it more complicated, added pointless and costly cosmetic frills but nothing that actually improved the performance of the thing. There was a continual stream of new models which were variations on the original design but didn't improve it and each model was sufficiently different that few parts were cross comparable.
So what if Linn had not upgraded the LP12 and had produced different turntables instead? That's what Ariston did and Ariston are gone. Linn got it right.
Alun Rains
Jus Juan Cornetto
Well you might think that, I could not possibly comment L.O.L.
david ellwood
Kirabosi Kognoscente
Unfortunately there’s very little competition
daytona600
Registered User
Do they have a money to build a complete new LP12-MkII !
The company, established in 1973 and based at Eaglesham in East Renfrewshire, reported an operating profit of £482,000 for the 15 months to September 2019 on turnover of £18.6 million
Same period
KEF Total revenue for FY 2021 was $202.9 million
VOXX International Corporation for FY 2021 $563.5
Klipsch, Jamo, Energy, ,ProMedia , Magnat & Heco.
Sound United LLC for FY 2021 was $ 635.9 million
Denon, Polk Audio, Marantz, Definitive Technology, HEOS, Classé , Boston Acoustics & Bowers & Wilkins
Martyn Miles
pfm Member
I’ll stick with my LP12 bought in 1981.
runforfree69
Spinning vinyl
Wouldn't be first in cue for the mc if recent Linn cartridge reliability is out to go bye.
worz
pfm Member
Indeed I run a 1987 linn lp12 sounds great to me without the constant thoughts of maybe it could be better
Enfield boy
pfm Member
I've had my LP12 since 1984, I really like it even though it's a bit "triggers broom." When I first heard Keel/Radikal I thought "wow" even though it meant I had to get over my dislike of the Cirkus (iirc). I've been suckered into buying 3 arms for it in the almost 40 years i've owned it, ending with the Ekos SE I have now. Most upgrades have been purchased new, some ex-display or 2nd hand via a respected dealer. At my age it's unlikely I'll change too much, only repair and replace.
How much is the Radikal upgrade for existing bits! LOL!
How much is the Radikal upgrade for existing bits! LOL!
Alun Rains
Jus Juan Cornetto
The Radikal upgrade from current version to version 2 is £1,750
I sold my lp12 due to Covid last year after having one for 35 years and had got to a very nice spec
Almost klimax but akurate Radikal and Krystal cartridge
I enjoyed doing the upgrades but I needed to sell to raise the cash
I think if I had kept it I would probably have got the ‘free’ karousel and either a new kandid or klimax Radikal
If I had gone Radikal I would have been really cheesed off that a few months later I needed to pump another £1750 into it