ks.234
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If you don't identify the problem, you cant implement a solution.
In this case the solution is really, really easy. Don’t vote for more neoliberalism
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Neoliberalism *is* the problem
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In this case the solution is really, really easy. Don’t vote for more neoliberalism
ks.234
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But like ‘Scargillism‘, completely irrelevant.
ks.234
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Yes, how does a site like STT promoting pseudo science get away with it?Some days there is no wind or sun, maybe we could all learn to not use our hi-fi's on those days.
UK’s Wind Industry Gets £1 Billion in ‘Constraint Payments’ For Producing Nothing At All
By December 2019, British wind power outfits had already collected over £650,000,000 in “constraint payments” for doing nothing at all; the cost to power consumers was almost £1 billion over the la…stopthesethings.com
How do they get away with it ?
A bit like neoliberalism, because people actually believe this shit
Okay, we admit it. We’re funded by the fossil fuel industry.
**** It didn’t take long, did it? It was bound to happen. Someone out there would put two and two together and come up with … Hell, they came up with whatever they wanted. What are we t…
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Cheese
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Wrong addressee, sorry.
ks.234
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It wasn’t you who referenced the Holodomor link?
The same link that referenced Scargill. Both are completely irrelevant to the topic.
As is the climate denial
ks.234
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Cheese
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Oh please, have a look yourself. Man up and look with misterdog directly.
Mike Hughes
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Afraid this another of those threads. What is the first post? It’s not a problem. It’s not an ask. It’s not selling anything. Is it anything original or profound? Not seeing it. Could be summarised as “interesting but inconsistent journalist states the bleeding obvious”. Hands up if you didn’t know neolibrealism wasn’t a problem.
The sound of someone with too much time on their hands.
The sound of someone with too much time on their hands.
ks.234
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Grow up. It was you who referenced the Holodomor ffs.
ks.234
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If you don’t like what someone is saying, why not either address the issue or ignore it. If neoliberalism is a problem that’s so well understood why have people voted for it for 50 years and are set to do it again? If it is so bleeding obvious why is it so popular?
Cheese
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#15 ffs
For the same reason that Brexit happened, ie the public was lied to by the people who’d benefit and had the funds to pay for the lies.
Unfortunately, a good number of our population aren’t great at “scratching the surface” of the lies and applying any critical thinking to the implications. Why do you think that the “intellectuals” are insulted by certain politicians? Chances are that it’s the intellectuals who are capable of seeing past the BS and therefore present a potential threat to those pulling the strings.
ks.234
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I wasn’t responding to #15. I was responding to your post. Take responsibility for what you post
ks.234
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Absolutely agree.
raysablade
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That's all very well but it suggests that Neoliberalism and its tropes are an alien force taking over the minds of otherwise right thinking people.
I've long suspected that it is the other way around and that Neoliberalism is the child of a Calvinist outlook that took root in the English middle and working class psyche after the Civil War.
ks.234
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There is perhaps a certain Protestant work ethic thing going on, but really Neoliberalism is an ideology that was developed rather more recently to overthrow the ‘Keynesian’ post war consensus that gave us in the UK full employment and the Welfare State. It is about overturning the idea of government spending for public ends and replacing it reducing wages and shovelling public money into private pockets.
raysablade
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Far from being new Neoliberalism might instead be seen as a reversion to default in English and American society.
That the undoubted success of a Socialism during the second world war and Keynesianism in its aftermath could be disregarded so soon suggests a deep seated, maybe pathological, aversion to collectivism that only existential threats can shake.
PS: it would follow that any future success of collectivism would lead to a sense of contentment that demands its demise.
He's been identifying problems for thirty plus years, if he were to identify solutions, never mind trying to implement them, he would not still be getting airtime/column inches.
As for your really, really easy solution, the main proponents of neoliberalism in the past eg Pinochet were never too bothered about anyone's vote. Those in the future probably won't be either.
Mike Hughes
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Is that your best offer?
It’s Sunday afternoon; the sun is shining and you’re on a hi-fi forum, where you appear to have never posted anything about hi-fi or music and up to your usual trick of posting a statement so that you can then tell everyone how wrong they are or how you’re only here to be educated. I call bullshit (again).
ks.234
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Yes. I think you’re right. Neoliberalism consciously takes it’s lead from the classical liberalism of the 18th c that assumes that markets are somehow self regulating; what Adam Smith called an invisible hand. Not religious perhaps, but it’s easy to see how those of a religious disposition would like the idea of a meta physical force that tempers greed and avarice. (“It’s not me being greedy, it’s markets don’t ya know”).Far from being new Neoliberalism might instead be seen as a reversion to default in English and American society.
That the undoubted success of a Socialism during the second world war and Keynesianism in its aftermath could be disregarded so soon suggests a deep seated, maybe pathological, aversion to collectivism that only existential threats can shake.
PS: it would follow that any future success of collectivism would lead to a sense of contentment that demands its demise.
What neoliberalism adds is the imperatives for privatisation, deregulation, spending cuts and globalisation. What was new at the turn of the century was regulations to increase democracy and protect workers rights, followed by nationalisation, the idea of using government spending to tackle recessions and the collapse of Empires and the consequent need for expoliting nation states in a global market.
As you say, neoliberalism was used to undo all the advances made by social democracy that had come together after the last War, and if we ever have anything approaching social democracy again in the future, there will be a powerful group of vested interest campaigning to undo it again.