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However, the secondary issues that apply to USB data transfer will potentially apply to ethernet or wifi.
Exactly! We don't yet know what the issues are.
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However, the secondary issues that apply to USB data transfer will potentially apply to ethernet or wifi.
It is being designed by John therefore it will be better ;-)
Well ... there are other ways. How about ethernet? We can receive bit-perfect data from the other side of the world, so it seems an obvious option.
- Richard.
Right & it remains to be seen if the Detox confers complete immunity to upstream variations - this will be the decider, right?Sorry I can't agree with that position, if we are using normal pcs, the the dac must be able to deal with the variables that will create. This is absolutely a case of the dacs internal design / operation being affected by a normal variation of the incoming data.
Right but if you are an "audiophile" then you have a different perspective to joe ordinary - the perspective is that you have to do some work to get your audio sounding great - just throwing any ol' crap together & expecting it to sound great is anathema - the same applies here.I'm not doing this to be argumentative jk, honest, but I can't agree with you on the second point here either. There are plenty of audiophiles (hope we are not classifying them as abnormal) who have no computer knowledge or desire to mess around with such things, but expect their expensive new dac to work optimally on USB or spdif.
Richard,
USB is a very nice simple "Plug and Play" solution - its the perfect interface for local audio connection - with Ethernet you have to be entering IP address, Firewall pass though etc. gosh its a bag of hurt - I just want to plug a unit in and it simply works.... well as much as any PC device does...
Right & it remains to be seen if the Detox confers complete immunity to upstream variations - this will be the decider, right?
Right but if you are an "audiophile" then you have a different perspective to joe ordinary - the perspective is that you have to do some work to get your audio sounding great - just throwing any ol' crap together & expecting it to sound great is anathema - the same applies here.
Your confidence in John's capabilities and, as someone else noted, his non-BS approach is reassuring...much like my opinion of Nelson Pass after doing business with him for 30+ years.
That being said, I believe that "In God we trust, all others bring data".
I see from the referenced DETOX description that it is a series of 3 USB hubs(?) which are daisy chained with 3 RF filters. IF I understand correctly, the USB hubs regenerate the USB data, not unlike the REGEN.
Unless there is proprietary information involved, to reiterate, is there a reason why the DETOX might be preferred?
We can receive bit-perfect data from the other side of the world, so it seems an obvious option.
- Richard.
Exactly! We don't yet know what the issues are.
Most of the setup is by automatic detection, you don't have to do anything. The dlna client detects the server, the tablet app detects the client. etc. The only issue I've ever faced is ensuring the correct port is open on the PC firewall. This is not a big deal, and no deal at all if the server you are using has decent documentation.
- Richard.
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Most of the setup is by automatic detection, you don't have to do anything. The dlna client detects the server, the tablet app detects the client. etc. The only issue I've ever faced is ensuring the correct port is open on the PC firewall. This is not a big deal, and no deal at all if the server you are using has decent documentation.
- Richard.
I hear you, but be experience has always been that nothing is that simple with computers, I ALWAYS seam to have problems installing a device / router / printer etc.
With Computers there are just so many variables - USB has its own share of issues, but the USB "plug and play" is easier much easier then networks connections.
Oddly enough, I'm old school and pretty anti computers - I just want to listen to music without the need to read a manual to set-up firewalls and other such joys...
No matter how easy it seems to you - I can say that for most people it would put them off, and I don't have the resource to support customer installation issues - even if its just simple problems to resolve... Even USB not a walk in the park but its for sure easer then IP based networks.
However, the secondary issues that apply to USB data transfer will potentially apply to ethernet or wifi.
I suppose you could also argue that it's better to keep that Ethernet/wifi subsystem out of the dac enclosure due to noise issues, but I find that a bit contradictory as it seems we are happy to stuff the thing full of fpga and DSp processing for the upcoming Minidsp functionality.
Right but if you are an "audiophile" then you have a different perspective to joe ordinary - the perspective is that you have to do some work to get your audio sounding great - just throwing any ol' crap together & expecting it to sound great is anathema - the same applies here.
(I didn't want to respond on this earlier as some people are too obssessive about the idea of using computer networks to connect DACs, preaching benefits when they have no clue about the technology, but you're IIRC not one of them, so let's hope to keep this civil. )Well ... there are other ways. How about ethernet? We can receive bit-perfect data from the other side of the world, so it seems an obvious option.
- Richard.
Actually it's not that simple. The FDAC would need more hardware and software (firmware) to implement the DLNA player/renderer capabilities. Also the firmware would be in need of constant upgrades to keep up with new file formats and other changes (like IPv6 support). IIRC John has stated more than once that he and Dominic can't provide this kind of support.
I see the "second order effects" with Ethernet and wifi far worst then with USB which is so much simpler.
Not such an issue as the DSP & FPGA are operating synchronously to the Audio master clock - we will also use "Quite conversion" where the DAC MCLK is out of phase with the FPGA / DSP and operates on the "Quite" clock phase.
As I have posted before 'Bit - Perfect' only refers to the 'message' being complete and as it should be.
It does not mean that there is not crap,crud, or runts travelling along with the signal.
I bought a Win 7 laptop hoping for improvements over my PC.
Later I bought a Win 8 laptop and was surprised at the increase in SQ.
Both passed the bit-perfect test, both running JRiver.
Please stop believing bit-perfect is PERFECT it isn't.