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Labour Leader: Keir Starmer VII

paulfromcamden said:
Are there any examples of British trade unions taking industrial action in response to the climate crisis?
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That would be unlawful in the UK, there must be a trade dispute, of course! Even where there is ambiguity with H&S legislation the Law will almost never support unofficial walkouts akin to the school kids' protest of a few years ago.
 
paulfromcamden said:
So is the trade union movement in a position to take action against climate change?
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Only in the sense of workplace organisation and campaigning, unless we're talking unofficial action, which the Unions can't be seen to be encouraging. Political disputes are not covered by TULRA. All unions will be running various campaigns.
 
paulfromcamden said:
Are there any examples of British trade unions taking industrial action in response to the climate crisis?

Not being snarky just wasn't aware it was even seriously on their agenda.
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Sadly, short-termism also affects the TU bureaucracy. The GMB and Unite in particular parrot the view of Labour and the Tories and have resisted calls to end both the extraction and use of fossil fuels as many of their members are involved in the automobile, aviation, oil industries etc.

There are individual and groups of trade unionists who argue that an end to fossil fuels should not lead to loss of jobs as the skills involved are transferrable. There is no reason why skilled workers in the industries cited above cannot be employed in the manufacture of renewable technology- other than the inertia of the bosses and shareholders.
 
What have they done with Sir Keir's neck? :confused:

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paulfromcamden said:
...because of the response from right-wing pricks.

“It’s the culture warriors who have really taken against it,” said Stark. “A small group of politicians or political voices has moved in to say that net zero is something that you can’t afford, net zero is something that you should be afraid of … But we’ve still got to reduce emissions. In the end, that’s all that matters.”
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Maybe. The right are indeed better at that sort of thing. Maybe the Greens need to up their game? That said, the majority of voters don't want to speed to Green. They want it, just not at the same pace as the fringe.
 
“Podcast with Rory Stewart and (deep breath) Alastair Campbell - and Professor Dieter Helm. A range of views on Green.”

Aha. You see the problem here: there’s a certain class of people who’ve had their brains melted by this kind of hard centre media drivel, which is everywhere, in exactly the same way as there are those who’ve been radicalised by the Mail and dark ads about the Great Reset on Facebook.
 
Seanm said:
“Podcast with Rory Stewart and (deep breath) Alastair Campbell - and Professor Dieter Helm. A range of views on Green.”

Aha. You see the problem here: there’s a certain class of people who’ve had their brains melted by this kind of hard centre media drivel, which is everywhere, in exactly the same way as there are those who’ve been radicalised by the Mail and dark ads about the Great Reset on Facebook.
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There seems to be a trend in certain podcasts where two people from different political allegiances are thrown together as of presenting opposing views, whereas the truth is that they agree on the fundamentals

Ed Balls and George Osbourne should demonstrate opposing views on austerity, privatisation, the NHS and climate change, but as they agree on everything they just solidify the centre and cast genuinely oppositional voice to the outside, to the extremes.

The Hard Centre is far more dangerous than the Hard Left ever was for the simple reason that it externalises opposition and facilitates the move to the far right
 
Seanm said:
Bought and paid for:

"BREAKING: Labour has voted to weaken regulators' ability to fine water companies for sewage pollution. (Source: The Guardian)"

www.standard.co.uk

Secret email from Severn Trent water boss to rivals: fend off nationalisation

‘Please don’t forward this email,’ begs £4m-a-year water chief Liv Garfield
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“In an email sent to other utility CEOs which she describes as “sensitive” and “highly confidential”, the £4 million a year Garfield asks them to join an “off-the-record roundtable” with Will Hutton the Observer journalist best known for books critical of capitalism including The State We’re In. Her move comes as water companies face the threat of being re-nationalised, decades after they were privatised as one of Margaret Thatcher’s free market reforms”

Will Hutton, the man supposedly critical of capitalism, is trying to save Thatcherism!
 
Seanm said:
“Podcast with Rory Stewart and (deep breath) Alastair Campbell - and Professor Dieter Helm. A range of views on Green.”

Aha. You see the problem here: there’s a certain class of people who’ve had their brains melted by this kind of hard centre media drivel, which is everywhere, in exactly the same way as there are those who’ve been radicalised by the Mail and dark ads about the Great Reset on Facebook.
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Obviously, but did you listen to it?
 
Seanm said:
Bought and paid for:

"BREAKING: Labour has voted to weaken regulators' ability to fine water companies for sewage pollution. (Source: The Guardian)"

www.standard.co.uk

Secret email from Severn Trent water boss to rivals: fend off nationalisation

‘Please don’t forward this email,’ begs £4m-a-year water chief Liv Garfield
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk
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The Conservatives have pushed through a duty on the water regulator to prioritise growth, which experts have said will incentivise water companies to value their bottom lines over reducing sewage pollution.

Ha! What exactly are water companies supposed to do to 'prioritise growth'? Encourage people to get the hose pipe out more? Install free swimming pools? Import sewage from France?
 
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