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Labour Leader: Keir Starmer VII

Agree- he wasn’t really taken seriously until the 2017 election scared the shit out of the Tories/ Sun/ Telegraph/ Labour Right/ BBC/ etc, when they really got going with the AS line of attack. Can you imagine an anti-Israeli, Palestinian supporting PM in Downing St. over the last few months?

Corbyn was (correctly in my view) a life long opponent of the neoliberal bosses club that is the EU. The flip-flopping around a second referendum effectively said to the Red Wall “we don’t give a shit how you voted, we’re going to ignore you,” which they rewarded by abandoning Labour.

But ultimately what sunk Corbyn was the fact that the Sir Humphrey’s in Whitehall were simply never going to allow a genuinely left-wing, Palestinian supporting PM to enter No. 10.



Agree. In 2017 he was pulling massive numbers to his rallies, the venues were frequently full to bursting with screens and loudspeakers relaying the rally to the hundreds outside who couldn't get in. I remember he came down to Brighton in 2017 to address Unison conference. The scenes outside the Brighton Centre were reminiscent of Beatlemania in A Hard Day’s Night. It took his car about an hour to navigate the two or three hundred yards from the seafront to the Clocktower due to the crowds of well wishers. He was really riding the crest of a wave- that he entirely squandered in preference to his commitment to the Labour Party and Parliamentarianism.
Somewhat tangential, but does anyone know who that is in the YouTube thumbnail for A Very British Coup? I’d quite like to watch it and find out for myself, but don’t have time at the moment.

It looks a bit like someone I know (now) and I’m curious who looked like them 40-odd years ago.
 
Anyway, enough of JC given there is no reasonable expectation of a second coming.

From Starmer on 23 July:

‘It is a mistake to believe that being responsible about spending somehow dampens how bold we can be. On the contrary, demonstrating our prudence allows us to be more radical with our plans to transform the country. The five missions I have launched – on growth, clean energy, an NHS fit for the future, safe streets and shattering the class ceiling – would reimagine Britain, its potential and its possibilities. Taking seriously the foundations of economic responsibility may not set people’s pulses racing, but the new country we can build on top of them will do.

Take, for example, the changes we will deliver to our planning system. They won’t cost a penny but they will ensure we build hundreds of thousands more homes and give families like the one I met in Selby their hope, their optimism and their future back. Our missions to halve violence against women and girls, deliver clean electricity by 2030 and secure the highest sustained growth in the G7, alongside plans for higher skills, a proper industrial strategy and regional innovation will give Britain the electric jolt it needs to shake it out of its Tory-induced torpor. Frankly, the left has to start caring a lot more about growth, about creating wealth, attracting inward investment and kickstarting a spirit of enterprise. It is the only show in town for those who dream of a brighter future.’

Grown up politics?
 
Somewhat tangential, but does anyone know who that is in the YouTube thumbnail for A Very British Coup? I’d quite like to watch it and find out for myself, but don’t have time at the moment.

It looks a bit like someone I know (now) and I’m curious who looked like them 40-odd years ago.
Nope sorry, can’t help. It’s been quite some time since I watched it.
 
Anyway, enough of JC given there is no reasonable expectation of a second coming.

From Starmer on 23 July:

‘It is a mistake to believe that being responsible about spending somehow dampens how bold we can be. On the contrary, demonstrating our prudence allows us to be more radical with our plans to transform the country. The five missions I have launched – on growth, clean energy, an NHS fit for the future, safe streets and shattering the class ceiling – would reimagine Britain, its potential and its possibilities. Taking seriously the foundations of economic responsibility may not set people’s pulses racing, but the new country we can build on top of them will do.

Take, for example, the changes we will deliver to our planning system. They won’t cost a penny but they will ensure we build hundreds of thousands more homes and give families like the one I met in Selby their hope, their optimism and their future back. Our missions to halve violence against women and girls, deliver clean electricity by 2030 and secure the highest sustained growth in the G7, alongside plans for higher skills, a proper industrial strategy and regional innovation will give Britain the electric jolt it needs to shake it out of its Tory-induced torpor. Frankly, the left has to start caring a lot more about growth, about creating wealth, attracting inward investment and kickstarting a spirit of enterprise. It is the only show in town for those who dream of a brighter future.’

Grown up politics?
Not grown up politics, economic illiteracy. Starmer said that his Green New Deal would promote economic growth, he has abandoned his one and only workable plan for economic growth.

Economic growth requires spending, Starmer stiffles the means for growth. Starmer promotes the current economics that lead to recession.
 
Anyway, enough of JC given there is no reasonable expectation of a second coming.

From Starmer on 23 July:

‘It is a mistake to believe that being responsible about spending somehow dampens how bold we can be. On the contrary, demonstrating our prudence allows us to be more radical with our plans to transform the country. The five missions I have launched – on growth, clean energy, an NHS fit for the future, safe streets and shattering the class ceiling – would reimagine Britain, its potential and its possibilities. Taking seriously the foundations of economic responsibility may not set people’s pulses racing, but the new country we can build on top of them will do.

Take, for example, the changes we will deliver to our planning system. They won’t cost a penny but they will ensure we build hundreds of thousands more homes and give families like the one I met in Selby their hope, their optimism and their future back. Our missions to halve violence against women and girls, deliver clean electricity by 2030 and secure the highest sustained growth in the G7, alongside plans for higher skills, a proper industrial strategy and regional innovation will give Britain the electric jolt it needs to shake it out of its Tory-induced torpor. Frankly, the left has to start caring a lot more about growth, about creating wealth, attracting inward investment and kickstarting a spirit of enterprise. It is the only show in town for those who dream of a brighter future.’

Grown up politics?
This is literally not worth reading. It’s just meaningless boilerplate. Why do you do it? It’s like filling up threads in the audio room with Nordost’s descriptions of their cables and then saying, “A breakthrough in sound reproduction?” No, obviously.
 
This is literally not worth reading. It’s just meaningless boilerplate. Why do you do it? It’s like filling up threads in the audio room with Nordost’s descriptions of their cables and then saying, “A breakthrough in sound reproduction?” No, obviously.
Why do I quote Starmer i.e. his actual words, what he thinks, what he wrote - on a thread entitled Labour Leader Keir Starmer ………. go figure…..and maybe next Prime Minister within a few months and in contrast to all the noshing off for Corbyn who came second to the Maybot and got his arse handed to him by Johnson.
 
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‘It is a mistake to believe that being responsible about spending somehow dampens how bold we can be. On the contrary, demonstrating our prudence allows us to be more radical with our plans to transform the country.”

Is Starmer truly as cynical as Blair, or does he genuinely believe this management drivel?

“Our missions to halve violence against women and girls, deliver clean electricity by 2030 and secure the highest sustained growth in the G7, alongside plans for higher skills, a proper industrial strategy and regional innovation.”

And why should I give a flying f*ck about violence against Palestinian women, whom I believe it’s right to deny electricity and clean water to?
 
Agree- he wasn’t really taken seriously until the 2017 election scared the shit out of the Tories/ Sun/ Telegraph/ Labour Right/ BBC/ etc, when they really got going with the AS line of attack. Can you imagine an anti-Israeli, Palestinian supporting PM in Downing St. over the last few months?

Corbyn was (correctly in my view) a life long opponent of the neoliberal bosses club that is the EU. The flip-flopping around a second referendum effectively said to the Red Wall “we don’t give a shit how you voted, we’re going to ignore you,” which they rewarded by abandoning Labour.

But ultimately what sunk Corbyn was the fact that the Sir Humphrey’s in Whitehall were simply never going to allow a genuinely left-wing, Palestinian supporting PM to enter No. 10.



Agree. In 2017 he was pulling massive numbers to his rallies, the venues were frequently full to bursting with screens and loudspeakers relaying the rally to the hundreds outside who couldn't get in. I remember he came down to Brighton in 2017 to address Unison conference. The scenes outside the Brighton Centre were reminiscent of Beatlemania in A Hard Day’s Night. It took his car about an hour to navigate the two or three hundred yards from the seafront to the Clocktower due to the crowds of well wishers. He was really riding the crest of a wave- that he entirely squandered in preference to his commitment to the Labour Party and Parliamentarianism.
Yes, the establishment was never going to tolerate the mere risk of Corbyn becoming PM. You could tell how frightened the Tories, their sponsors and the right wing media were of him because the slanders became more and more extreme in nature. That they thought they could publish this,
then an image of his face being used for target practice by serving soldiers was actually chilling, the sort of coverage that used to be reserved for Sinn Fein or political leaders in former colonies that offended them.

I don’t agree that “red wall” voters were appalled at the neoliberalism of the EU- you don’t flock to Boris Johnson and elect the likes of Gullis and 30p Lee out of socialism, you endorse them for very different reasons.
 
And why should I give a flying f*ck about violence against Palestinian women, whom I believe it’s right to deny electricity and clean water to?

Two mothers per hour killed in Gaza

 
‘It is a mistake to believe that being responsible about spending somehow dampens how bold we can be. On the contrary, demonstrating our prudence allows us to be more radical with our plans to transform the country.”

Also worth remembering that government deficits are non government surpluses. Starmer’s promise to cut spending is a promise to cut the money in our pockets
 
I don’t agree that “red wall” voters were appalled at the neoliberalism of the EU- you don’t flock to Boris Johnson and elect the likes of Gullis and 30p Lee out of socialism, you endorse them for very different reasons.
A huge question, worthy of its own thread. But the figures and serious analysis simply don’t support the case that Brexit represented a massive swing to the racist Right. I’m not denying that was an element of it, but Brexit was essentially a massive two fingers to the Metropolitan Blairite elite who had imported ‘triangulation’ wholesale from Clinton’s Democrats, and long abandoned their core voters.
 
Look! Why do I quote Starmer i.e. his actual words, what he thinks, what he wrote - on a thread entitled Labour Leader Keir Starmer ……….,go figure…..and maybe next Prime Minister within a few months and in contrast to all the noshing off over Corbyn who came second to the Maybot and got his arse handed to him by Johnson. Just sayin.
Yes, all that, why? His Actual Words, lots of them, served up undigested and without comment, all the time. Why?
 
Yes, all that, why? His Actual Words, lots of them, served up undigested and without comment, all the time. Why?
There is also the total lack of analysis. Take the opening sentence where Starmer says, “it is a mistake to believe that being responsible about spending somehow dampens how bold we can be”. It is not a mistake, cutting spending absolutely does limit how bold you can be in any progressive manner. His actual words are literally meaningless
 
I took another look at Labour's five 'missions'. There's some stuff there I quite like but it's also strangely underwhelming in it's lack of ambition.

Example: I think a lot of people would agree the NHS is in desperate need of investment. We spend less than almost any other country in Europe on healthcare. Labour's answer? They're going to pay nurses overtime to help reduce waiting lists.

Not recruit more staff or build more hospitals.. just get people, many of whom already work very long hours, to work longer hours.

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Somewhat tangential, but does anyone know who that is in the YouTube thumbnail for A Very British Coup? I’d quite like to watch it and find out for myself, but don’t have time at the moment.

It looks a bit like someone I know (now) and I’m curious who looked like them 40-odd years ago.

Marjorie Yates - best known for playing Carol Fisher in Shameless.
 
I took another look at Labour's five 'missions'. There's some stuff there I quite like but it's also strangely underwhelming in it's lack of ambition.

Example: I think a lot of people would agree the NHS is in desperate need of investment. We spend less than almost any other country in Europe on healthcare. Labour's answer? They're going to pay nurses overtime to help reduce waiting lists.

Not recruit more staff or build more hospitals.. just get people, many of whom already work very long hours, to work longer hours.

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Nurses already work overtime, not when asked to, so they don't get paid, but because they need to in order to deliver care. Starmer is wilfully vacuous.
 
There is also the total lack of analysis. Take the opening sentence where Starmer says, “it is a mistake to believe that being responsible about spending somehow dampens how bold we can be”. It is not a mistake, cutting spending absolutely does limit how bold you can be in any progressive manner. His actual words are literally meaningless

I took another look at Labour's five 'missions'. There's some stuff there I quite like but it's also strangely underwhelming in it's lack of ambition.

Example: I think a lot of people would agree the NHS is in desperate need of investment. We spend less than almost any other country in Europe on healthcare. Labour's answer? They're going to pay nurses overtime to help reduce waiting lists.

Not recruit more staff or build more hospitals.. just get people, many of whom already work very long hours, to work longer hours.

63Qdqcs.png
Yep, all just pure filler: they can’t say *literally* nothing so they say this, the next best thing. Of course supporters (at least those who notice there’s nothing there) will say it’s about presenting a small target to their opponents. But judging by their records I’d say this is actually how they see the task of governing. Well, this plus deregulation and privatisation.
 


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