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Labour Leader: Keir Starmer VII

Kirk said:
Voters want him to reign in the left though (especially after 2019/JC), and show that he understands and mirrors their views/values (which admittedly don't seem particularly PF progressive). He also has to show Labour are a credible electoral force again - banging on like Corbyn is the last thing Labour need right now. Of course, Starmer might shift after winning the election (or indeed start shiting before the election - see recent EU comments) but first, he has to win the election.
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Voters want Corbyn's policies not Starmers vacuum. Very interesting today to hear that Bliar suppressed a stinging report from the Monopolies Commission re water privatisation and Labour is now in bed with the Tories to keep it hidden

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-over-privatised-water-kept-secret-since-2002
 
paulfromcamden said:
I think there's a very strong chance he'll say one thing before the election and another shortly afterwards. Constant u-turns are pretty much the only thing he's consistent at.
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It’s less the u-turns as such than the fact that they all end up with him facing a particular way: right. Anyone who thinks he’s going to pivot left once he’s got the gammons on board is poorly informed about who the Labour right are. And I don’t blame them, because there’s a deliberate effort to keep them poorly informed on precisely this matter.
 
gavreid said:
Voters want Corbyn's policies not Starmers vacuum. Very interesting today to hear that Bliar suppressed a stinging report from the Monopolies Commission re water privatisation and Labour is now in bed with the Tories to keep it hidden

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-over-privatised-water-kept-secret-since-2002
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This year the chief executive of Thames Water, Sarah Bentley, admitted high levels of pollution in rivers were the result of “decades of underinvestment” by the privatised water company. New data from the Financial Times shows the 10 biggest water companies more than doubled their dividend payments to shareholders in 2022 to £1.4bn, despite an outcry over sewage pollution in rivers and a failure to invest in infrastructure.

Neoliberalism goes marching on under Starmer.
 
ks.234 said:
This year the chief executive of Thames Water, Sarah Bentley, admitted high levels of pollution in rivers were the result of “decades of underinvestment” by the privatised water company. New data from the Financial Times shows the 10 biggest water companies more than doubled their dividend payments to shareholders in 2022 to £1.4bn, despite an outcry over sewage pollution in rivers and a failure to invest in infrastructure.
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That's what it's all about and Starmer's promised the City that he'll do nothing to touch it. It seems to me that he gets nothing in return for turncoating.
 
gavreid said:
That's what it's all about and Starmer's promised the City that he'll do nothing to touch it. It seems to me that he gets nothing in return for turncoating.
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He’s only a turncoat if he is betraying his own principles. In fact, he is living up to them! He always was a neoliberal at heart. He always was more interested in the big people rather than the little people. More interested in power than principle.
 
Seanm said:
Anyone who thinks he’s going to pivot left once he’s got the gammons on board is poorly informed about who the Labour right are.
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Isn’t that what Blair was going to do? And isn’t that what ‘Red’ Ed Milliband was going to do?
 
ks.234 said:
He’s only a turncoat if he is betraying his own principles. In fact, he is living up to them! He always was a neoliberal at heart. He always was more interested in the big people rather than the little people. More interested in power than principle.
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A LibDem then, as demonstrated in 2010 by what they did rather than by what they say.
 
The real problem is that Starmer isn’t actually saying anything. The NHS does need reform, but Labour is refusing to say what that reform would look like *other* than to include the private sector. But including the private sector is not reform, it is just more of the same and we are where we are with an NHS in crisis, precisely because we have only had more of the same for decade after decade.

Unless Starmer can deliver a set of specifics in his speech tomorrow, the only conclusion we can come to is that the promised *reform* is nothing but doing more neoliberalism which will on perpetuate the crisis.
 
ks.234 said:
The real problem is that Starmer isn’t actually saying anything. The NHS does need reform, but Labour is refusing to say what that reform would look like *other* than to include the private sector. But including the private sector is not reform, it is just more of the same and we are where we are with an NHS in crisis, precisely because we have only had more of the same for decade after decade.

Unless Starmer can deliver a set of specifics in his speech tomorrow, the only conclusion we can come to is that the promised *reform* is nothing but doing more neoliberalism which will on perpetuate the crisis.
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He's going to have to spend on recruitment. Buying in private help of any kind is always more costly
 
Starmer may be right that the problems in the NHS is not just about money, but the number of nurses and doctors most definitely is an issue.

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If ‘reform’ does not include more doctors and nurses being properly paid to do doctoring and nursing, the Labour’s Reforms cannot be taken as a serious attempt to address the underlying causes of the NHS crisis
 
gavreid said:
Starmer attacking NHS - the Tories will just welcome that and shift the debate further

Starmer to warn NHS ‘not sustainable’ without ‘fixing the fundamentals’

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...t-sustainable-without-fixing-the-fundamentals
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I expect by 'fixing the fundamentals' he means properly funding the NHS in line with our European neighbours - Germany spends 40% more on it's health service.

"Sir Keir Starmer is to warn that the NHS is “not sustainable” unless there are health reforms that “fix the fundamentals” and go beyond extra investment.
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In his speech, the opposition leader is set to tell the public that it is “not serious” to suggest that the NHS’s current issues can be fixed solely with more money."

Oh.
 
gavreid said:
Voters want Corbyn's policies not Starmers vacuum. Very interesting today to hear that Bliar suppressed a stinging report from the Monopolies Commission re water privatisation and Labour is now in bed with the Tories to keep it hidden

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-over-privatised-water-kept-secret-since-2002
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Odd that JC couldn't deliver on policies voters wanted. Seemed like an open goal. Maybe he didn't have his shooting boots on in 2019. Not sure voters were too fond of Corbyn's 'new internationalism' either. The rest: public services, green, poverty/inequality - voters have been 'wanting' (in some cases naively) a lot of those things for decades. Yet here we are. The government further right than ever before. 13 years of Tory rule (preceded by 20-odd years of New Labour). No riots. No revolutions - just a few hundred people shouting down the King, and some strikes. JC essentially 'retired'. The radical change agenda on life support. What are the voters saying?

Starmer is in election mode (and rebuilding party credibility after JC), and will say more as the election nears. Standard political practice. Slowly, slowly. Anyway, anything he does say is torn down by the noisy left (which isn't particularly helpful) and if he doesn't say anything, he gets more of the same.
 
Kirk said:
Odd that JC couldn't deliver on policies voters wanted. Seemed like an open goal. Maybe he didn't have his shooting boots on in 2019. Not sure voters were too fond of Corbyn's 'new internationalism' either. The rest: public services, green, poverty/inequality - voters have been 'wanting' (in some cases naively) a lot of those things for decades. Yet here we are. The government further right than ever before. 13 years of Tory rule (preceded by 20-odd years of New Labour). No riots. No revolutions - just a few hundred people shouting down the King, and some strikes. JC essentially 'retired'. The radical change agenda on life support. What are the voters saying?

Starmer is in election mode (and rebuilding party credibility after JC), and will say more as the election nears. Standard political practice. Slowly, slowly. Anyway, anything he does say is torn down by the noisy left (which isn't particularly helpful) and if he doesn't say anything, he gets more of the same.
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People realised within just a few weeks with lockdown and home working what a decent broadband network would/could deliver. 'Internet poverty' really hampered poorer kids at that time. To charge for these things through billing is hugely regressive, just like improving sewage systems through billing while top end dividends are handed out. Get Brexit done was all consuming. Starmer will change none of this just privatise the nhs for the Tories.
 
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