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Is there a better option than adding a Rega Saturn to my system?

Nara

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I've got a Bluesound Node streamer going into my Rega Elex R (non Dac version), powering my Wharfedale Linton 80s. I'd like to add a CD player to my system and a second hand Rega Saturn seems like the obvious option. Not only would I get a CD player, but also a (better?) Dac to feed the Node into.

The Saturn would certainly be the neatest solution, but could I do better with my budget? Would buying a cheaper transport and spending more money on a standalone Dac be preferable? Or, could I save a lot of money and buy a cheap transport and use the digital input on the Node?

With a budget of under £1,000, what would you do?
 
I have a very similar set up, WiiM Pro into Saturn R, & Elex R into Spendor S3/5R2 speakers. Sounds superb to me.

Not heard a Bluesound Node but by all accounts the internal DAC is easily bettered so I would expect the Saturn R to be a significant upgrade on top of which you’ll have one of the best CDPs on the market.

TS
 
I have a very similar set up, WiiM Pro into Saturn R, & Elex R into Spendor S3/5R2 speakers. Sounds superb to me.

Not heard a Bluesound Node but by all accounts the internal DAC is easily bettered so I would expect the Saturn R to be a significant upgrade on top of which you’ll have one of the best CDPs on the market.

TS
Thanks for your input Tony. How interesting...I am currently using Spendor S3/5R2s too, enjoying a change from the Dentons for a while! I'm tempted to sell the Node and replace with a WiiM to help fund the new CD player, so we'd end up with an identical system!
 
I've got a Bluesound Node streamer going into my Rega Elex R (non Dac version), powering my Wharfedale Linton 80s. I'd like to add a CD player to my system and a second hand Rega Saturn seems like the obvious option. Not only would I get a CD player, but also a (better?) Dac to feed the Node into.

The Saturn would certainly be the neatest solution, but could I do better with my budget? Would buying a cheaper transport and spending more money on a standalone Dac be preferable? Or, could I save a lot of money and buy a cheap transport and use the digital input on the Node?

With a budget of under £1,000, what would you do?


A secondhand Saturn for under £1000, combined with your Bluesound Node, looks a great option.

Other second-hand options? £1,300 or so gets a s/h Naim 272. Add a power amp like an old 250 and a not-old Audiolab CD transport and I reckon you will hear the uplift versus Elex & Saturn. However, the total cost would bust your budget.
 
I've got a Bluesound Node streamer going into my Rega Elex R (non Dac version), powering my Wharfedale Linton 80s. I'd like to add a CD player to my system and a second hand Rega Saturn seems like the obvious option. Not only would I get a CD player, but also a (better?) Dac to feed the Node into.

The Saturn would certainly be the neatest solution, but could I do better with my budget? Would buying a cheaper transport and spending more money on a standalone Dac be preferable? Or, could I save a lot of money and buy a cheap transport and use the digital input on the Node?

With a budget of under £1,000, what would you do?

If you've not already got a CDP, does that also mean you don't have a CD collection? If you've not got a large back catalogue (or actually even if you have), then there's nothing to be gained by buying a CDP when a music server with internal storage and DAC means you can buy and download a new music collection via services like Quobuz, which would also mean you can get better than redbook CD quality music. If you have got a CD collection, I'd still suggest a server/dac combo was a much better option in terms of convenience and quality of reproduction.
 
If you've not already got a CDP, does that also mean you don't have a CD collection? If you've not got a large back catalogue (or actually even if you have), then there's nothing to be gained by buying a CDP when a music server with internal storage and DAC means you can buy and download a new music collection via services like Quobuz, which would also mean you can get better than redbook CD quality music. If you have got a CD collection, I'd still suggest a server/dac combo was a much better option in terms of convenience and quality of reproduction.

I think you'll find that some people just like CD in the way some people just like vinyl. Not everyone wants to go the whole server/rip/stream route. I am quite sure that I could get better than redbook CD quality from the likes of Quobuz, but I just prefer vinyl and CD... both give me as much quality as I need and I like the tangibility of the mediums.
 
As a recent Node user I find the dac better than people say so I might save £800 of your budget and buy a Cambridge CXC. Nonetheless, the Saturn is a lovely CD player. The Denon 1600NE is also very good and under budget new.
 
I think you'll find that some people just like CD in the way some people just like vinyl. Not everyone wants to go the whole server/rip/stream route. I am quite sure that I could get better than redbook CD quality from the likes of Quobuz, but I just prefer vinyl and CD... both give me as much quality as I need and I like the tangibility of the mediums.

I totally understand that, people often like to maintain a connection to something tangible; it's one of the reasons vinyl never did quite die out and why it's still so popular today even with non-audophilles. But if you don't already have a collection, then it's a reasonable question to ask whether it's worth starting to make one now.

Ah! To be 50 again… rest there, if you can.

Rest? LOL not a chance my friend! I'm going faster now at 50 than I've ever done in my life before and having waaaaaay too much fun Haven't behaved this badly in all my life and don't intend to rest one iota.
 
I've seen quite a few posts on Hi-Fi forums(fora?) recently that would agree with that...but received wisdom can be a tough nut to crack.
I haven't faffed about yet but using RCA out to a headphone amp or coax out to a Chord 2Qute, the Node sounds better doing the former.
 
Thanks for all your input. If anyone is interested…

I do indeed use Roon with my own server + Qobuz. At the moment, that’s my exclusive mode of listening.

But, I’ve also got a fair few CDs from years ago in storage, and a growing collection of CDs bought recently to support smaller, independent artists.

I thought it’d be fun to have a small curated collection of my favourite albums on CD for more purposeful listening (rather than scrolling through thousands of streamed albums). The Saturn seemed a win-win for the CDP and Dac element. Again, thanks for everyone’s input.
 
There is a Rega Saturn Mk2 on the bay for £875 at present -within your budget. I have a Mk1 version which is great, though the separate DAC is an attractive option.
 
Thanks for all your input. If anyone is interested…

I do indeed use Roon with my own server + Qobuz. At the moment, that’s my exclusive mode of listening.

But, I’ve also got a fair few CDs from years ago in storage, and a growing collection of CDs bought recently to support smaller, independent artists.

I thought it’d be fun to have a small curated collection of my favourite albums on CD for more purposeful listening (rather than scrolling through thousands of streamed albums). The Saturn seemed a win-win for the CDP and Dac element. Again, thanks for everyone’s input.

That's an interesting comment - 'more purposeful listening'. I think I understand what you mean; you mean the times when you want to sit and engage with an album of music, made in the way the artist intended it to be heard right?

One of the things I thought might happen when I moved from redbook CD playback to server based playback was just this shift you want to avoid (at least in part); I thought I might no longer listen to albums and would just cruise steadily from track to track streaming music from a cloud based service. Actually the reverse turned out to be true; I listen to whole albums now far more than I ever did when I used a CDP as my primary source.

I think part of this is because having the option to flit around makes you less impatient to move on; I also have found that using Roon as my media interface means I am more likely to engage with the album because of the richness of content associated with it. Also, the sheer musicality of playback I've managed to achieve (somethign I am so utterly and always delighted by - so much joy in my listening room!) means I'm far more engaged.

Using Roon also means I can choose to view my music in many different ways. There are the obvious ones, like by genre, or format/resolution, artist etc, but also the more perosonal ones, for example I can view only albums that i have a stored local copy of. This is my default view - everything I see has a copy I own the rights to on the HD inside the server. All the music I've added from a streaming service (I use Qobuz), which is not stored locally is in a different view.

This way, I keep track of my music collection as my own, i.e. the music I've bought because I liked it enough to own a copy (note that locally stored sounds discernably and notably better than streamed media, at least when played back on a good enoug system), versus the stuff I've acquired out of idle interest. I also use tags and have ones called 'Future Listening' and 'To Buy'; when I've listened to the streamed version enough I either move it into the 'To Buy' category, or else just leave it as is. This is how you would replicate your desire to have a music collection that you engage with for more serious listening.

A few other points that might help develop your thinking. Ripping bit perfect copies to a NAS drive or the internal storage of your server can be done very easoily using DB Power Amp and doesn't take long. I ripped 600 CDs over the course of a few weeks whilst working from home. I've bought (i.e. paid to own a locally downloaded copy) about 60 albums new since moving to the server based system I have. About 90% of these are at bit and sample rates higher than 44/16. The server makes a huge difference in sound quality but finding something that works well can be tricky, not least because the integration can often be complicated (I side stepped this by opting for a custom built music server from a specialist who does installation and set up work but in person and remotely).

Hope this helps your thinking and enjoy yout music.
 


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