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Is Hungary the next crisis?

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Enfield boy

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It seems that the EU is threatening to withhold funding as Hungary is breaking EU rules. Having briefly visited Budapest since Orban took power I'm not surprised it has come to this. Orban is clearly pro-Putin in spite of the invasion of Ukraine, next door. Hungary is also a member of NATO. The 1956 uprising, brutally put down by the Soviets is not that distant a memory.
 
Possibly but Hungarians are brilliant, just think about how many innovations have involved Hungarians. It may be a coincidence but they have to master one of the planets most complex languages by the time they are three and perhaps that has a bearing on their cognitive development. However what Hungarians don’t seem to excel at is cooperating with each other, if they did they would be world beating. As for cosying up to Putin, you would hope they might be rethinking that one.
 
Snufkin said:
Possibly but Hungarians are brilliant, just think about how many innovations have involved Hungarians. It may be a coincidence but they have to master one of the planets most complex languages by the time they are three and perhaps that has a bearing on their cognitive development. However what Hungarians don’t seem to excel at is cooperating with each other, if they did they would be world beating. As for cosying up to Putin, you would hope they might be rethinking that one.
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They have only just [since the invasion of Ukraine] elected Orban with an absolute majority of the votes cast, leading to another more than two thirds majority for the regime in the legislature.

I said in the Ukraine thread that countries, once free of foreign occupation, eventually get the government they deserve. The UK deserves its government, Russia deserves its government, and Hungary deserves its government. In fairness I doubt if NATO would raise too many objections to Orban welcoming in a Russian occupation, but Putin does not need to bother. He has his [popularly supported] useful idiot to do his bidding. I am more worried for Hungary's neighbours than for Hungary itself, given the way they have voted.

If Hungary wants to leave NATO and the EU then I for one will happily support that the door be slammed firmly behind them once they have left.

I do wish everyone here all the best, but cannot quite sign off with my normal sign off under the circumstances, George
 
Orban wouldn't want to leave the EU, he's too busy pocketing it's funds.

However, there is also the issue of so-called EU unity. The EU is continuing to pursue its punitive agenda, withholding funds from both Hungary and Poland over rule of law issues, despite the fact that the two countries are bearing the burden of the lion's share of refugees from Ukraine.
 
Meanwhile in France Le Pen has polled 48.5% in the Presidential run-off on a platform of removing healthcare and housing from 'non French' people and banning headscarfs.

Astonishing that France may soon have a far-right pro-Russia President.
 
paulfromcamden said:
Meanwhile in France Le Pen has polled 48.5% in the Presidential run-off on a platform of removing healthcare and housing from 'non French' people and banning headscarfs.

Astonishing that France may soon have a far-right pro-Russia President.
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I wonder how this will all end....o_O
 
Hopefully the way it has done in the past with a Le Pen getting trounced when it matters. Sadly those results have given France Chirac, Sarkozy and Macron recently. The direction of travel is familiar, the trend is to the right. I guess the free press in France has the same priorities as the UK but I hope that traditional French "awkwardness" spots what is going on and keeps kicking back.
 
Enfield boy said:
It seems that the EU is threatening to withhold funding as Hungary is breaking EU rules. Having briefly visited Budapest since Orban took power I'm not surprised it has come to this. Orban is clearly pro-Putin in spite of the invasion of Ukraine, next door. Hungary is also a member of NATO. The 1956 uprising, brutally put down by the Soviets is not that distant a memory.
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Info related to this that may be of interest: NATO could expel Hungary. The EU has no ability to expel a country, although it can withhold some rights.
 
none of this would ofc happen, giving such a strategic position in europe to russia and more important to china would be an act of suicide to both NATO and EU. the union is anyway so inefficient that it even couldn't fast track the expulsion of the UK after the leave vote so it turned into an agony. i doubt they could have a consensus about hungary despite obvious things.

btw hungary is not significantly worse than poland for example, where some horrible laws against human rights are already in use. it's basically all so-called visegrad countries which have nothing to do with the values of the advanced world, only that they exchanged communism with capitalism so are welcome. in reality no V4 country would fit into any definition of open societies.
 
paulfromcamden said:
Astonishing that France may soon have a far-right pro-Russia President.
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Le Pen is a supporter of Putin? That's a bit of surprise regardless of her political leanings. Putin invaded Ukraine on the pretext of Ukraine's Nazi/far right views. Doesn't make sense i.m.o.. 'Far out, man', an oft-used phrase in hippy days of yore, seems apposite here.
 
Mike Reed said:
Le Pen is a supporter of Putin? That's a bit of surprise regardless of her political leanings. Putin invaded Ukraine on the pretext of Ukraine's Nazi/far right views. Doesn't make sense i.m.o.. 'Far out, man', an oft-used phrase in hippy days of yore, seems apposite here.
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Assuming for a second that you are not being ironical, it is clear that her National Front party scooped up several million euros (8 M€ IIRC) in financing from Russian banks in 2014, just after Crimea. She has expressed admiration for Putin, visited Moscow (and Crimea), and is generally well aligned with Vlad on nationalistic values etc. But she has back-pedalled more effectively than Zemmour after the Ukraine debacle, in line with the more "responsible" image she has been trying to cultivate (same old racist, national preference and anti-EU agenda below the surface, though).
 
Mike Reed said:
Le Pen is a supporter of Putin? That's a bit of surprise regardless of her political leanings. Putin invaded Ukraine on the pretext of Ukraine's Nazi/far right views. Doesn't make sense i.m.o.. 'Far out, man', an oft-used phrase in hippy days of yore, seems apposite here.
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Putin is unquestionably the fascist in this picture. His use of the phrase ‘de-Nazification’ is pure propaganda/gaslighting. Le Pen is a wannabe-Putin.
 
PsB said:
Assuming for a second that you are not being ironical, it is clear that her National Front party scooped up several million euros (8 M€ IIRC) in financing from Russian banks in 2014, just after Crimea. She has expressed admiration for Putin, visited Moscow (and Crimea), and is generally well aligned with Vlad on nationalistic values etc. But she has back-pedalled more effectively than Zemmour after the Ukraine debacle, in line with the more "responsible" image she has been trying to cultivate (same old racist, national preference and anti-EU agenda below the surface, though).
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Doesn’t France have any rules about foreign funding of political parties?
 
The word Nazi seems to mean whatever it's user wants it to mean.
Nazi could just mean nasty in the way Putin uses it. Although he is more like a 20th century Nazi himself.

Even in it's form as an original abbreviation of National Socialism it was a misnomer.
 
simon g said:
Info related to this that may be of interest: NATO could expel Hungary. The EU has no ability to expel a country, although it can withhold some rights.
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They really need to look at their rules! Britain was trolling from within for years, certainly trolls like Farage taking money for no work should've been suspended on no pay at least. I was a little surprised that the EU does not have the right to expel as I had a vague recollection of such a threat being made to Austria a some years back when it looked like they were getting a far right leader.
 
DataPraxis poll:

18-24: Macron: 44 Le Pen: 56
25-34 Macron: 47 Le Pen: 53
35-44 Macron: 49 Le Pen: 51
55+ Macron: 55 Le Pen: 45

The younger you are in France the more likely you are to vote for a far-right President.
 
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