Maybe something like a bitwise copy rather than a system copy.Pretty sure it can't be done - replacement drives have to be configured at Innuos HQ, you can't simply copy the contents from one to the other. It's not the same as the process of mirroring your PC drive when you upgrade to a bigger HDD as there's some complex stuff going on with how it is set up, with partitions and different formats and custom kernels (and that is the limit of my understanding on it!)
I think in the past you said you have a Zenith?Has anyone replaced the hard drive in an Innuos streamer with a SSD drive and were there any issues or difficulties. Thanks
Wow, they code them that tight together?It's a hard drive the only possible magic is them having a list of hardware codes so you can't swap drives
Some EPOS Till software won’t open unless the hard drive with a specific serial number it expects is in the chassis, not much of a stretch to do similar in a Streamer/Server. The old Naim UnitiServe had to go back to HQ for a hard drive replacement. Quite a few bits of software will do a bit by bit forensic clone of a hard drive but that wouldn’t defeat a BIOS/Firmware check on the hard disk serial/firmware.Wow, they code them that tight together?
Has anyone replaced the hard drive in an Innuos streamer with a SSD drive and were there any issues or difficulties. Thanks
Some EPOS Till software won’t open unless the hard drive with a specific serial number it expects is in the chassis, not much of a stretch to do similar in a Streamer/Server. The old Naim UnitiServe had to go back to HQ for a hard drive replacement. Quite a few bits of software will do a bit by bit forensic clone of a hard drive but that wouldn’t defeat a BIOS/Firmware check on the hard disk serial/firmware.
Helped a few Naim US owners get them working over their Network but was never asked to work on a broken one.See above for the reasons why you can't do DIY on Innuos.
Naim was different. The UnitiServe used a piece of SQL software called nServe developed by a third party that was a disaster waiting to happen. Thankfully Naim abandoned it. Sometimes it crashed and had to be returned to get it going again.
Helped a few Naim US owners get them working over their Network but was never asked to work on a broken one.
The old INNUOUS used Vortexbox which could be DIY’d - tricky/geeky but doable, the new ones have a custom OS and afaik it’s a return to base job.
@Whizzy Unless someone knows/pipes up with different info I’d ping and get a quote from INNUOUS or your dealer for a swap, likely be cheaper if they let you supply the hard disk yourself.
Rubbish, if it’s out of warranty/support and/or the manufacturer puts a significant “tax” of the hardware/work, it’s a perfectly valid option.p.s. Advising anyone to attempt to modify non-user serviceable equipment is bad advice.
In this case it is very bad advice. I have spoken to Innuos about this exact upgrade issue twice and got a quotation.
I've not proceeded as I was advised that getting an Innuos reclocker is money better spent, but it depends on the streamer/DAC you are using and how you are sending the data.
Rubbish, if it’s out of warranty/support and/or the manufacturer puts a significant “tax” of the hardware/work, it’s a perfectly valid option.
Most of these things are based around a standard OEM PC motherboard, nothing magical going on, if you know how to setup an OS, know what the difference between EXT4/NTFS/FAT32 partitions means and can resize a partition, you can DIY upgrade an old INNUOS with a bigger disk for £50.
The old Zenith machines used bog standard Supermicro OEM motherboards and the Vortexbox software - like I said £50 and some geekery x - bigger disk, done deal.I own a Innuos Zen Mk3 with a SATA drive and have actually been down this route. I have discussed the technical issues with Innuos. Do you own one? Do you know anything about Innuos architecture and software? It does not have an OEM PC motherboard, it has an Innuos designed operating system and it does not use standard formatting because of the way the operating system manages the disc drive.
The whole purpose of Innuos design, hardware and software, is to run at very low power and low heat. That also informs their use of the Intel NC4200 chip, old and slow but much more efficient that i3/5/7. You cannot do this with OEM boards and disc management. If you want a unit with a user replaceable drive, buy a Roon Nucleus, that uses standard formatting etc and replacement drives are plug-and-play.
Even if you could replace the disc and get it to work, which is extremely unlikely and I'm led to believe impossible, it will be inferior to where you started because to perform at the Zenith level it needs the additional LPSU.
If, as is almost certain, you trash the machine, Innuos will not fix it.
Innuos will do the upgrade whether or not the machine is in warranty. Mine is no longer in warranty, but they are happy to upgrade it.
p.s. I have found the pricing. This was from an email from Innuos in October 2021:
Many thanks for the info.
The cost to upgrade to a 1TB ZENith Mk3 is £1,100 and the 2TB option is £1,600 plus £40 shipping. The turnaround time is usually 2 weeks.
I don't own any of their kit cos I use Roon and their kit didn’t float my boat.
The old Zenith machines used bog standard Supermicro OEM motherboards and the Vortexbox software - like I said £50 and some geekery x - bigger disk, done deal.
Their newer machines have OEM motherboards (off the shelf) which have been “optimised” for EMI (they tested a buch and picked the best measuring) and fancy PSU and USB daughter boards (OCXO clocking) stuff in the box. I expect the usual CA sites will have the model numbers and pics.
I don't own any of their kit cos I use Roon and their kit didn’t float my boat.
When I looked at them as a Core/Server option they didn’t have the horses to do DSP/EQ/DSD upsampling, which are features I wanted so I could compare with alternatives like HQP and dedicated hardware EQ. After a good few different setups/servers/core at present I’ve ended up running ROCK on an i7NUC10 which has worked without issues. Main endpoint is a Bartok.I bought my Innuos device because I moved over to using Roon, I think I have something like 10 or 11 zones with about 30 Roon Ready devices. If no one else is using it and I'm listening to my main system, I sometimes switch over to using their in-house Sense streaming software. I've also used it for non-Roon Ready devices using uPnP and Airplay.
One of the reasons for using it is that it has an ethernet data output in addition to usb.
The old Zenith machines used bog standard Supermicro OEM motherboards and the Vortexbox software - like I said £50 and some geekery x - bigger disk, done deal.
Their newer machines have OEM motherboards (off the shelf) which have been “optimised” for EMI (they tested a buch and picked the best measuring) and fancy PSU and USB daughter boards (OCXO clocking) stuff in the box. I expect the usual CA sites will have the model numbers and pics.
I don't own any of their kit cos I use Roon and their kit didn’t float my boat.