Julf
Facts are our friends
It would be a statement about your preferences, but you couldn't generalize it to "Flat Earth systems were musically more engaging than accurate Round Earth systems" without adding "to me".
Flat Earth Revival?
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It would be a statement about your preferences, but you couldn't generalize it to "Flat Earth systems were musically more engaging than accurate Round Earth systems" without adding "to me".
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
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I do find this prohibition on making claims a tad limiting. This is not a scientific or engineering forum. It is related to such topics, obviously, and spouting arrant nonsense will no doubt attract appropriate criticism, but I'm entitled to give my view on a topic based on the sum of my experience. I'm not forbidden from doing so. Nor is it reasonable for a minor war to erupt whenever I do so and somebody decides I'm not entitled to the conclusions I've drawn, from the evidence they infer.
Sometimes, I think people are so keen to jump down others' throats, that they accuse them of making spurious claims, when all they've done is given an opinion or observation off their own experience. Just because somebody hasn't expressed themselves with the precision somebody else might prefer, is no reason to respond in the way which some on here do.
Sometimes, I think people are so keen to jump down others' throats, that they accuse them of making spurious claims, when all they've done is given an opinion or observation off their own experience. Just because somebody hasn't expressed themselves with the precision somebody else might prefer, is no reason to respond in the way which some on here do.
sazalirazak
pfm Member
Would there be such a thing as a flat or round earth sounding turntable?
Daniel Quinn
Banned
This is reasonable upon first reading , but it needs to be placed in context .
You will find many people on pfm seeking to bestow upon their opinion the status of fact .
For example you will find many a post bestowing universal properties divorced from time and space to a piece of copper .
Such claims need to be questioned .
stick to I tried it and liked it and critique will not follow .
bob atherton
pfm Member
I think circa 1984 you could
Linn LP12 = flat
Pink Triangle = round
I haven't listened to many recently so can't comment on what's out there today
bob atherton
pfm Member
I did say "if one found..."
I don't think that it would be wrong to say "I have found flat earth systems to be ....etc etc...
I know I'm being a touch pedantic..!
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
But if you say
"I tried it and liked it because the musicians played better in time"
that will attract the sort of horrific thread-crapping and abuse we're all so tired of. It's still a personal opinion, with a possibly helpful expression as to why the person had the preference. They should not need to qualify it by saying:
"I tried it and liked it because my perceptions were that the musicians played better in time with each other."
nor still:
"I tried it and liked it, because although I know you all know it can't possibly have any basis in scientific fact, my perceptions were fooled into believing that the musicians were playing better in time with each other."
yet that is what the prescriptive approach Julf and Gerald advocate would appear to require, if we are not to grant licence for the thread-crappers to run amok.
I'm emphatically not getting at Julf or Gerald here by challenging their point, but I do think due recognition is required for the fact that this is an informal chat forum, not a scientific symposium, and a degree of semantic inexactitude is inevitable and should not be an excuse for those who think it appropriate to derail threads on that premise..
bob atherton
pfm Member
Daniel Quinn
Banned
Not to happy about you lumping me in with Julf .
And for the record i would never and have never challenged anybody who said
"I tried it and liked it because the musicians played better in time"
i find nothing wrong with the statement you have used . Indeed i would make that statement about many of mods i have made to my hifi .
further if many people make the same subjective statements separately i would suggest a tentative generalization may be in order .
my objections are to opinions masquerading as fact or as fallacious specialist knowledge to be taken seriously.
And for the record i would never and have never challenged anybody who said
"I tried it and liked it because the musicians played better in time"
i find nothing wrong with the statement you have used . Indeed i would make that statement about many of mods i have made to my hifi .
further if many people make the same subjective statements separately i would suggest a tentative generalization may be in order .
my objections are to opinions masquerading as fact or as fallacious specialist knowledge to be taken seriously.
Julf
Facts are our friends
The thread doesn't get derailed just by someone pointing out the semantic inexactitude, but mostly by the counter-attack against the poor sod who happen to point out the semantic inexactitude...
This is an audio forum. We all wear anoraks. Just seems some anoraks resent the anorak-ness of some of us.
Julf
Facts are our friends
Not to happy about you lumping me in with Julf .
Oi! We all take our lumps...
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
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Kt77
pfm Member
Hear Here............., nothing has changed except their * Naims, while my * Exposure to something's has evolved, I * Kan still * Linn an open mind to change and as the * EAR has become more taken with * Tube Technology of late, in the * Myst of things, it has proven a wonderful journey down the * Creek in feeling an empty * Voyd, so take * Heed and thread lightly into ones chosen path, and don't anyone go calling out for * Roksan, and while you're at it shave your * Beard, as the Earth has proven to be round after all.
Regards,
scar