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Falcon LS35a to Tannoy Eaton

Discussion in 'audio' started by amazement, Jan 11, 2021.

  1. What amp do you use with yours? I use an old Audio Innovations S500, 25 W I believe.
     
  2. Not sure if you've heard any Audio Note or Snell type speakers,if so how do Tannoys compare? I find AN Type k/j a bit on the lean side, which emphasises the treble, so at times they sound bright and hence fatiguing, also not great which big orchestral.
     
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  3. hifinutt

    hifinutt hifinutt

    Yes I use a bel canto pre 3 with a Sean Jacobs dc3 psu which has made a big difference into some humble class d icepower monoblocks . It should not sound as good but it does !!!

    I have to confess the eatons are not as good as the Martin Logan summit x that used to reside here !!! But then they cost about 4 times more , are 6 foot high with massive soundstage and bass to die for .....anyway swmbo ( my phone wants to put Rambo!!) Had her sweet way and so the more wife friendly eatons have been here a few years now

    Only some verity audio personal anniversary would replace these Eaton but I think they are 20k ish....
     
  4. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Again, bare in mind my Tannoys are huge Lockwood studio monitors, I haven’t heard Legacy Etons. I like the Snell-derived Audio Notes, they are nice speakers, the Audio Note room always sounds amongst the best at shows etc, but beyond that I have no comparison for you.

    Others who have heard the Etons can make far more sense of things. My only word of caution is the small Tannoys I do know (LRMs, LGMs etc) can sound very bass-light in some systems. To my mind Tannoys are big speakers, and I have to admit if I was looking at the new range I’d be paying the most attention to the Arden. I also suspect it is by far the best value. When I first saw the pricing my reaction was that the Eton was rather expensive and the Arden rather cheap. I’ve no idea how that plays out in practice as I only know the ‘70s HPDs upon which they are loosely based.
     
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  5. hifinutt

    hifinutt hifinutt

    yes I have Snell type drivers in my impulse taus I think . They are horns which are a bit more transparent than the Eaton but thats not always a good thing .

    I like the Eaton as they are more forgiving than the big horns and I could probably listen 5 times longer to them due to that

    When I had the sugden a21se with the eatons that was an exceptional amp I must say but the bc pre 3 and class d has better remote and 96 % as good as the 3k sugden
     
  6. amazement

    amazement pfm Member

    One minute I’m for the Falcons and another the Tannoys and then maybe Kudos super 10, maybe more suited to Naim.
    It’s a tough call especially with dealers closed and no chance to hear.
    I think I’ll take all three!
    Seriously from what I’ve read and Tony’s input I do think the Falcons would suit my room dimensions and configuration and the Tannoys to a degree as they may work reasonably close to a rear wall than most ported speakers.
    If the Falcons don’t suit I don’t think I’d lose out too much and have to sell on, and maybe easy to sell on, but I just love the look of those Tannoys.
     
  7. Salamander

    Salamander pfm Member

    Your head's telling you Falcons, but your heart it's the Tannoy's, so if I were you, you must at least try the Tannoy's or you will be forever doubting your decision


    Sorry :oops:
     
  8. yuckyamson

    yuckyamson pfm Member

    FWIW, tony, I don't think the modern dual ferrite/tulip Tannoys are nearly as picky with a naim as yours. Yours, I know, sound like crap. But moderns I think are fine.
     
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  9. yuckyamson

    yuckyamson pfm Member

    To the OP, I think either would work well in a small room, TBH. I would definitely try the eatons. You may feel you need to go no further in your search.
     
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  10. amazement

    amazement pfm Member

    It’s probably the near field thing with the Falcons that a bit of an issue, will I listen close enough and will I always want to sit close as for listening to radio or watching TV I don’t.
    I would imagine the Legacy Eatons are more forgiving of driving amp than say the Falcons going by what I have read.
    We’ll see.
     
  11. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    FWIW I’ve found Naim to sound sub-optimal with every high-efficiency speaker I’ve ever heard them drive. They seem to prefer to work a bit, push heavier drivers etc. I guess the crossover region down in the low mV range (which is what you are listening to much of the time with Tannoys etc) is not their strongest suit. What I hear has been consistent between several high efficiency speakers, e.g. a dry, lean, small and flat/2d sound compared to using the same speakers with valves or a very good class A solid state amp. Don’t get me wrong, I really like Naim with the speakers they are more typically partnered with. 40+ years of playing around has left me a very firm believer in system synergy! Some stuff works stunningly well, other stuff just doesn’t. I’d not drive a pair of Saras with a SET!
     
  12. hifinutt

    hifinutt hifinutt

    yes 2 lots of falcons sold recently very fast . strangely prices are not far off . tannoy can be got for about 2.6 or less and falcons about 2k .
     
  13. hifinutt

    hifinutt hifinutt

    yes as i mentioned i have tried at least 12-15 amps with the eatons so far , very few have been unsuccessful . sn2 was ok , lavardin very smooth and needed a bit more bite , sugden a21se 100% stunning, and many more .
     
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  14. ToTo Man

    ToTo Man the band not the dog

    Andrew, did you measure the in-room FR of the Eatons before RFC modded the crossover to reduce the response between 3kHz-4kHz? I'm just curious if their stock response was flat or actually humped at these frequencies? Your ESL 63s measured more or less ruler flat across these frequencies (graph here) so it's interesting that you found the Eatons too studio-like in their tonality.
     
  15. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    The beauty of the Falcons (or any LS3/5A) is they are tiny, pack up in a tiny box, so one can easily justify having them as an alternative to dig out whenever one fancies. Many of the serious Japanese, Hong Kong, South Korean audiophiles (with whom I seem far more aligned than the current UK mindset) tend to have a huge pair of Tannoys, JBLs or whatever, plus a pair of LS3/5As for an alternative perspective. Makes total sense to me. Far, far easier to store than a pair of ESLs too! The thing that is so great about the LS3/5A (and JR149) is that they work superbly on the same type of valve amp as the huge speakers, and I’m certain that is a big part in their cult following. The only thing I don’t understand is why similar period 149s avoid the crazy second-hand price tag! They are certainly different, but no worse IMHO.
     
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  16. cooky1257

    cooky1257 pfm Member

    I originally had a Naim 72/180 driving my Tulip Waveguide Tannoy D700's and found them to be a bit in your face and tending toward slightly edgy/fierce.
    Remedied with a switch to a warmer sounding Musical Fidelity F18/F22 pre power.
    This particular Naim pre power was not a good march for the Tannoys, probably combination of lean 'fast' amp into already quite lean DC's.
     
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2021
  17. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    The beauty of the Falcons (or any LS3/5A) is they are tiny, pack up in a tiny box, so one can easily justify having them as an alternative to dig out whenever one fancies. Far easier to deal with than say a pair of ESL57s! I’m sure this, and the fact they favour the sort of valve amp that sounds so good with huge vintage Tannoys, Altecs etc, accounts for much of the cult following, i.e. the owners of such speakers can have a pair as an easy to switch-in alternative perspective.
     
  18. Elephantears

    Elephantears Trunkated Aesthete

    No, the ESL63s were amazing in this region. The Eatons has a spike. Although I have taken many REW measurements, in this case I used test tones and it was quite clear. I had a friend in to help with the testing.

    I understood that a horn resonance in this region was not uncommon with Tannoys. Have others not experienced this?
     
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  19. ToTo Man

    ToTo Man the band not the dog

    Perhaps it's due to the geometry of the horn flaring into a 10" cone instead of a 12" or 15" cone as none of the larger Tannoy DCs I've had exhibited an objectionable forwardness in the upper midrange. My MG12 do produce more output between 3kHz-4kHz than any of the three pairs of MG15 I've had, but I'd say the MG15 were a little a bit recessed in this region similar to my Ditton 66. IME the strongest area of output from both MG12 and MG15 tends to be between 500Hz and 1.5kHz, this is part of the Tannoy tuning but is also influenced to some degree by the way the driver is mounted in the enclosure.

    PS - Using test tones to 'hunt' for objectionable peaks in the response can be misleading, especially at higher frequencies, as the spike may be so narrow in Q and position-dependant that it isn't noticeable to the ear when playing music (it's like looking at a FR graph in REW with no smoothing applied). Presumably you tested a large number of frequencies between 3kHz-4kHz and noticed a consistent pattern of them being louder than the rest?
     
  20. amazement

    amazement pfm Member

    2k seems about the going rate for Falcon, Nintronics had a pair @£1950 at the moment and they also have a demo pair of Eatons for 3k and a pair of Eatons B stock rated unused, but am unsure about the B stock as they say they can’t open them to look at even though the eBay listing says open box but never used. It’s a bit risky to stump up 3k to find they’re physically damaged. I don’t mind slightly imperfect.
    I bought a pair of Ruark B stock speakers about ten years back and I couldn’t find a mark on them but I did get to hear and see them before purchase.

    I’ve not seen any used Eatons for £2.6 for sale though.
     

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