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Election night 2019 / aftermath II

Joe said:
I did not comment at the time but you misrepresented what I wrote.

I said that Labour had a habit of picking leaders that they thought they could either control or who they thought would not control them.

I never said that Blair was weak but that the LP thought that when they chose him.
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OK, that is fair enough I just misunderstood what you said. Happy Xmas
 
So we held our own poll and the majority of the forum voted Labour and yet according to YouGov polls you're more likely to vote Tory if you're old, male and stupid. I'm all three of those things, and yet I voted Labour. Does anyone have any theories or a guess at why the majority voted Labour?
One thing that did cross my mind was that a lot of us have fallen for media lies in the past (hifi mags) and I know personally that I'm a lot more suspicious of anything I read because of that experience.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...12/17/how-britain-voted-2019-general-election
 
This morning I see that the Conservatives received £1.4m in the last 48 hours of campaigning, and five times as much as any other party over the campaign in large donations (which have to be declared).

Does anyone every investigate how that money gets into those people's accounts?

There's £500k from John Caudwell formerly of Phones 4U. There's £400k from the Tory Party's co- treasurer - to the funds that he is charged with looking after?

It seems odd. It also strikes me as bizarre that we would appear to accept this as normal without trying, at least, to trace the money, audit these people's accounts and ask questions about any seeming irregularities.
 
Roger Adams said:
This morning I see that the Conservatives received £1.4m in the last 48 hours of campaigning, and five times as much as any other party over the campaign in large donations (which have to be declared).

Does anyone every investigate how that money gets into those people's accounts?

There's £500k from John Caudwell formerly of Phones 4U. There's £400k from the Tory Party's co- treasurer - to the funds that he is charged with looking after?

It seems odd. It also strikes me as bizarre that we would appear to accept this as normal without trying, at least, to trace the money, audit these people's accounts and ask questions about any seeming irregularities.
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Perk of the job innit.
 
Roger Adams said:
This morning I see that the Conservatives received £1.4m in the last 48 hours of campaigning, and five times as much as any other party over the campaign in large donations (which have to be declared).

Does anyone every investigate how that money gets into those people's accounts?

There's £500k from John Caudwell formerly of Phones 4U. There's £400k from the Tory Party's co- treasurer - to the funds that he is charged with looking after?

It seems odd. It also strikes me as bizarre that we would appear to accept this as normal without trying, at least, to trace the money, audit these people's accounts and ask questions about any seeming irregularities.
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Someone's Putin some large donations, that's for sure...
 
The Tories were pretty skint under May but received a flood of money when it looked like they might win under BJ. I believe Labour were in a similar position under Milliband but the coffers have been replenished under Corbyn. That is one crumb of comfort I suppose.
 
If I remember properly, the claims were that the Conservatives had been able to spend at least twice the money that all of the other parties had managed together and are vastly wealthier. Given how the Electoral Commission found that Vote Leave broke electoral spending at least twice and yet suffered no penalty of significance, I would imagine that the same campaign team would have been somewhat tempted to employ a similar strategy this time. The contribution from the vice treasurer in particular stands out.
 
Interesting to read a foreign perspective of the mess the UK is in, here’s a pretty sharp article in The Daily Sabah from Turkey (link). I know nothing about the paper, but they certainly have the lying charlatan Johnson well sussed.
 
Tony L said:
I know nothing about the paper, but they certainly have the lying charlatan Johnson well sussed.
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What could the Turkish Government's mouthpiece (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Sabah) possibly dislike about Boris and Brexit?

Johnson's great-grandfather, Ali Kemal, was a minister during the last days of the Ottoman Empire and was assassinated by Kemalists in 1922 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Johnson_(writer)#Origins_and_early_life). So his family have a bit of 'history' with the key foundations of the Turkish Regime.

For years he supported Turkey joining the EU and now, supporting Brexit, doesn't and has effectively reversed 20+ years of UK supporting Turkish membership ("I am very pro-Turkish but what I certainly can’t imagine is a situation in which 77million of my fellow Turks and those of Turkish origin can come here without any checks at all. That is really mad – that won’t work." - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ote-leave-campaign-michael-gove-a8734296.html)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey–United_Kingdom_relations#EU_membership
 
Seeker_UK said:
What could the Turkish Government's mouthpiece (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Sabah) possibly dislike about Boris and Brexit?

Johnson's great-grandfather, Ali Kemal, was a minister during the last days of the Ottoman Empire and was assassinated by Kemalists in 1922 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Johnson_(writer)#Origins_and_early_life). So his family have a bit of 'history' with the key foundations of the Turkish Regime.

For years he supported Turkey joining the EU and now, supporting Brexit, doesn't and has effectively reversed 20+ years of UK supporting Turkish membership ("I am very pro-Turkish but what I certainly can’t imagine is a situation in which 77million of my fellow Turks and those of Turkish origin can come here without any checks at all. That is really mad – that won’t work." - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ote-leave-campaign-michael-gove-a8734296.html)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey–United_Kingdom_relations#EU_membership
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I think Erdogan might not have quite forgotten the Johnson’s piece of doggerel claiming the religiously conservative Turkish President had sex with animals.
 
Tony L said:
Interesting to read a foreign perspective of the mess the UK is in, here’s a pretty sharp article in The Daily Sabah from Turkey (link). I know nothing about the paper, but they certainly have the lying charlatan Johnson well sussed.
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It’s actually a soberly written, well considered piece. Interesting to see how outsiders view the state of Britain- “2000 food banks, 75% of them opening in the last five years” and working people including nurses are using them to make ends meet. Are the Tories still planning on their Festival of Brexit Britain, with bunting and phoney street parties to paper over the cracks?
 
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