linnfomaniac83
I bet you can’t wheelie a unicycle!
Well you’ll never forget to put them on.
Cars with front lights on but no back lights....eh?
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linnfomaniac83
I bet you can’t wheelie a unicycle!
I actually pulled up next to one waiting at a roundabout after following him for five minutes and trying to alert him, I actually got him to put his win down and told him he had no lights on on the back of his car… he shrugged and drove on… without switching them on. Stupid people can’t be fixed.
Brown Bottle
UTB
It usually results in a one or two fingered gesture or they have a fixed forward stare.
Cheers BB
awkwardbydesign
Officially Awesome
No they don't. And yes they do.
It's the muppets that forget or simply don't realise they have no lights on in the dark, DRLs play a part in this. Why on earth they ever decided to make them fronts only I'll never know.
dan m
pfm Member
Living up to your name? https://www.theaa.com/driving-advice/safety/daytime-running-lights
Seeker_UK
Feelin' nearly faded as my jeans
Evaluation of the effectiveness of daytime running lights (DRLs)
Introduction: Many studies have found that daytime running lights (DRLS) are effective in reducing daytime multi-vehicle crashes. From an Australian p…
" A statistical meta-analysis by Elvik, Christensen, and Fjeld Olsen (2003) that included 25 studies evaluating the effect on cars, found that the use of DRLs reduces the number of multi-party daytime accidents for cars by about 5–15 %. Knight et al. "
Of which some would be fatal.
awkwardbydesign
Officially Awesome
I was on my phone, not the laptop last night. Try this; http://www.dadrl.org.uk/DRLstudies.html
Before the EU politicians decided the DRL rule would make them look good, a couple of countries (Poland? Austria? I forget) found that the use of DRLs increased the risk to vulnerable road users, particularly children, and actually banned them! You can look it up for yourself, I can no longer be bothered.
cosimoss
One Step Beyond
Nobody on the site could be bothered from 2011.
palasr
>>>...<<<
Regardless, the law is the law. 10 years ago or so, I got pulled over twice going to and from the ferry in Rab, Croatia for not having my lights on - by the same cop!! He wasn't too amused the second time, but fortunately no ticket as I did my best to apologize in my rather poor hrvatski.
awkwardbydesign
Officially Awesome
Deflection and irrelevant.
Yes, it may be the law, but my question was, why?
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
gez
pfm Member
Use of headlights have been reported to reduce peoples ability to judge the speed of the oncoming vehicle. As with everything it's not black and white and there is a balance to be had. It's not as simple as saying lights are good, and should be on at all times.
People rely too much on "studies" and the fact that a few studies have indicated the use of lights reduced road injuries (or whatever the postive results were) have been grabbed at by safety advocates with no critical thinking. Leading to "lights are good", no need to think further or do any further investigation to prove it's actually true under all circumstances etc or what the possible negative consequences are.
I'm not saying people shouldn't use lights, but light use needs to be appropriate and as has been stated above use of lights in clear bright days is pointless, but yet people still respond with condescension.
People rely too much on "studies" and the fact that a few studies have indicated the use of lights reduced road injuries (or whatever the postive results were) have been grabbed at by safety advocates with no critical thinking. Leading to "lights are good", no need to think further or do any further investigation to prove it's actually true under all circumstances etc or what the possible negative consequences are.
I'm not saying people shouldn't use lights, but light use needs to be appropriate and as has been stated above use of lights in clear bright days is pointless, but yet people still respond with condescension.
gez
pfm Member
That's because it's simply not possible to say absolutely that use of lights in circumstances X, or not use of lights in circumstances Y is the right thing to do. Theres too much variability involved, and at best all that people can do is provide "guidance".
Eg how exactly do you determine the "correct" amount of fog density for when fogs or mains should be used? Even if there were a scientifically determined correct value, drivers are left with judgement, they can't get out and measure it before flipping the switch on the dashboard.
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
gez
pfm Member
Have you read that article? There isn't a single unequivocal statement in it stating that DRL save lives without any negative impact in their use. The single actual study* indicated that at best their use may "break even" against the negatives.
This is literally as positive as it gets:
- A later UK (Department for Transport) study confirmed the Commission's findings on accident reduction, but cast doubts about whether the benefit would outweigh the costs
- The UK study also found that dedicated DRLs could improve the visibility of cars in dim light without reducing the visibility of motorcyclists
Statistics please.