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Oh, God.
Interesting, this comment is very different from many Remainers on PF and positions you close to EV actually. I suppose the difference is he believed disruptions to trade and commerce could be kept small whilst you think they are going to be serious. Time will tell.
I'll stand by what I said as valid criticism of some of your discourse here. It's not a personal attack on you. I haven't called anyone a racist. I said an irrational fear of foreigners and their impact upon 'our culture' (xenophobia) played a significant part in people's decision to vote to leave.
I don't really support the EU and completely accept it's a deeply flawed institution. I just think there will never be any material benefit for 99% of UK citizens to being outside of it and significant costs to a great many in this country whilst we're managing the transition and beyond. Anything else, IMHO, is immaterial.
Mind you, everyone that felt it was daft to leave Europe could do well to reflect on if they feel their sense of identity and belonging has been undermined and recognise that's one thing they have in common with many of those they oppose - as that's how many of them felt before the referendum.
PS Robinson who?
Yes, that was like when you claimed not to know who Katie Hopkins and Richard Tice were (you had ‘head the name’ but that was about it) and had never heard of Quentin Letts.PS Robinson who?
Probably better for Brits not to bring up the subject of slavery.
Macron called colonisation a "crime against humanity".
Germany pays reparations to Namibia for early 20th century genocide.
By comparison Cameron thought it OK to offer to pay for a 'human rights-compliant' prison (!) in Jamaica (probably intended for some UK exports). And Bojo's embarrassing govt worries about statues of slavers and decries footballers taking the knee.
Slave owners were paid the equivalent of £billions by the British taxpayer while the actual slaves received no compensation.
If the answer is just "Nothing to see here, it is old history, we have moved on" then what is a Govt policy of 'hostile environment' ? What is a racially biased 'Stop and Search' ?
The thing is it has made no difference. Where it matters and there is more loss on the fringe benefits than there is gain economically. I am anti-EU because it is a neoliberal organisation, but UK exit won't change that for the EU or the UK or the UK's population. All it has done is drive a needless wedge between people based upon utter misinformation on both sides.Incidentally, I am not a 'brexit promoter'. I would very much have preferred it if brexit hadn't had to happen at all, though I believe that it did.
I am first of all anti-EU, not pro-brexit.
The thing is it has made no difference. Where it matters and there is more loss on the fringe benefits than there is gain economically. I am anti-EU because it is a neoliberal organisation, but UK exit won't change that for the EU or the UK or the UK's population. All it has done is drive a needless wedge between people based upon utter misinformation on both sides.
Brexit didn't 'have to' happen, it was engineered and to a specific goal (the wrong goal in my opinion). For the way in which Britain operates as an economy being in the EU was perfectly compatible and actually very beneficial in terms of power and influence. I am in favour of cooperation of entirely sovereign nation states, rather than the EU model, but Britain least of all suffered from the loss of sovereignty and that was the thing the Brexiteers harped-on about the most.
It's not a line of inquiry I would majorly press, since the whole thing is a 'done deal' now. However I do wonder what made you come down on that particular side, since it should have been clear that a gang of Thatcherite neoliberal-monetarists weren't leaving a neoliberal-monetarist economic union to become something else. Or that it would magically increase the UK's geopolitical influence among large power blocs. That in particular baffled me.Yes, you make some good points, others I think more marginal.
Its a fine line. You came down on one side of it, I came down on the other.
So are the reasons that Switzerland and Norway have not joined, 99% fictional too?reasons given for departing were 99% fiction.
The reasons for not having joined and those for removing oneself are not the same thing. The reasons differ per country. Switzerland has no real need for the EU.So are the reasons that Switzerland and Norway have not joined, 99% fictional too?
by people who have a strong ideological commitment to the EU project.
He was very aggressive....for being right.
He seemed to be looking for a fight. I'm not really into fighting.Why didn't you support him saying "Yes I voted for this too." ?
Any company that exports fresh sandwiches deserves it.Meanwhile back on terra firma good auld M&S have cut 800 lines in Irish stores and announced the closure of their French stores. All because of EU bureaucracy.
The chairman sounds very like EV. Are they one and the same?
BTW no shortage of food supplies or empty shelve in Irish stores I frequent. Let's face it Brexit is a fxck up and the UK is in trouble. There are no benefits except for a couple of loyal Brexiteers on a thread like this to have an opportunity to throw red herrings around whilst somehow never able to list a single bona fide benefit