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Brexit: give me a positive effect... XIV

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TheDecameron said:
The Mail is reporting Brits fleeing to Spain to get away from food and fuel shortages at home,

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“The Spanish town's famous Little England area is buzzing again after months of misery”.
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Mick Parry coming back with breakfast.
 
2021, Boris Johnson lambasts U.K. companies for employing ‘foreigners’


2013, Boris Johnson lambasts lazy British workers:
Boris Johnson has accused Britons of being lazy and having themselves to blame for losing out on jobs to more hard-working foreigners.
The London mayor suggested as few as one in ten jobs were now being filled by Brits, because many are too illiterate or unwilling to match the effort shown by immigrants.
https://metro.co.uk/2013/04/08/bori...t-on-jobs-to-hard-working-immigrants-3587183/
 
TheDecameron said:
2021, Boris Johnson lambasts U.K. companies for employing ‘foreigners’


2013, Boris Johnson lambasts lazy British workers:
Boris Johnson has accused Britons of being lazy and having themselves to blame for losing out on jobs to more hard-working foreigners.
The London mayor suggested as few as one in ten jobs were now being filled by Brits, because many are too illiterate or unwilling to match the effort shown by immigrants.
https://metro.co.uk/2013/04/08/bori...t-on-jobs-to-hard-working-immigrants-3587183/
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"His graver vice is cowardice, reflected in a willingness to tell any audience, whatever he thinks most likely to please, heedless of the inevitability of its contradiction an hour later." - Max Hastings
 
Reports this morning that only 127 EU drivers so far have applied for visas. Our high wage economy is off to a flying start.
 
From the Cabinet:
"Cabinet ministers attack industry, blaming empty shelves and fuel shortages on firms’ failure to prepare for Brexit."

Where these the same businesses that were asking for a plan and economic assessment reports for the last five years?

And from the PM:
”Imports and exports are now easier for hauliers because now they know they have to fill in paperwork for ALL exports.”
”Supply chain problems are a sign of our economic robustness.”

The reality distortion field is strong in this one.
 
Who would have thought less barriers means more trade! But of course Frost is a Brexiteer so he don't like that. Incentives need to be removed to make things the same as the rest of the UK.

"'Brexit minister David Frost shared a new motive for his concerns about Northern Ireland’s Brexit arrangements in a fringe discussion at this week’s Conservative party conference.

Fresh from warning in his conference speech that the UK might have to pull the Article 16 emergency brake on the Northern Ireland protocol unless there is significant change from the EU, Frost told the panel that change was urgently needed because of the growth in all-island trade.

Volumes of post-Brexit red tape now required on goods entering Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK – and the Republic from Britain – have forced some businesses on the island of Ireland to look elsewhere for trading partners, leading to an increase in North-South trade.


Tory fears that an all-island economy might be growing out of the complexities of Brexit are supported by trade figures showing a boom in North-South trade since the UK’s exit came into effect

But, as Frost disclosed on Monday, the UK is unhappy at “incentives” driving increased trade on the island of Ireland and this is another reason why he wants the protocol changed quickly.

Frost told the fringe event hosted by the Policy Exchange think tank that he was “definitely seeing supply chains being reordered quickly” and that “trade between Northern Ireland and Ireland has gone up a lot in both directions”, as reflected in Irish and British official statistics.'
 
Colin L said:
So, the first positive of Brexit noted....more trade across the Irish land border..hopefully leading to a peaceful united Ireland.
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Northern Ireland is potentially in a good place, best of both worlds and all that: in the EU customs union and in the UK. Now if the main parties there would recognize the windfall and work together to make something of it...
 
Colin L said:
So, the first positive of Brexit noted....more trade across the Irish land border..hopefully leading to a peaceful united Ireland.
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Someone thinks so:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...-close-says-top-economist-posen-40920667.html

This Prod Norn Ironer hopes he's right. Trouble is, the united Ireland cannot be simply a continuation of either of the current two bits. It will have to be done in such a way that recognises that a large slice of the Northern population, rightly or wrongly, identify as British, and this will need to continue. Trying to submerge the orange in a tide of green is not the way to go. The last thing we'll need is the triumphalist attitude of the Shinners, which is guaranteed to cause a backlash far worse than the Troubles. As someone said back in the day, if the British Army can't control the IRA, how does the Irish Army control Unionists on the rampage? It doesn't bear thinking about.

I can only hope that someone, somewhere, is considering the possibilities of bringing about a peaceful reunion. The biggest problem is that there will always be a hard core of Unionists who will say no, no matter what form it takes. Why they cling so desperately to a country that equally desperately doesn't want them, can be hard to understand. A lot of it is simply living in a largely fictional/mythological past, a trait on both sides of the Border, although the siege mentality of the Unionists is much stronger, especially at the moment.

There is the money aspect, of course - Norn Iron floats on a sea of British taxpayers' money, at a level that Ireland could never manage. Even at its very best in the century of its existence, Norn Iron was a net recipient from the UK, so national independence is simply not an option, especially with all its traditional industries (ships, linen) gone. Who pays the bills?

I struggle to think of a similar situation elsewhere - the nearest off the top of my head is Canada and Quebec. Who can forget dear old Chuck de Gaulle deliberately putting his foot in it with his Vive le Québec libre! Things seem to have calmed down since the days of René Lévesque, although his Parti Québécois retains the same goal of national independence. The official bilingualism of Canada has helped a bit, I suppose.
 
Lord Frost formerly known as David Frost, Head of the Scotch Whisky Association, in 2016:

"In short, we have nothing to gain, and a lot to lose, from Britain having the status of Norway, Switzerland or Canada, the models pushed by the proponents of Brexit, still less from relying on WTO rules only. For all the EU’s frustrations, it makes production easier, paperwork simpler and competition stronger – and hence prices cheaper. Let’s not turn our back on the world's greatest free trade area, on our own doorstep: instead, let’s make it work."
 
Kirk said:
From the Cabinet:
"Cabinet ministers attack industry, blaming empty shelves and fuel shortages on firms’ failure to prepare for Brexit."

Where these the same businesses that were asking for a plan and economic assessment reports for the last five years?

And from the PM:
”Imports and exports are now easier for hauliers because now they know they have to fill in paperwork for ALL exports.”
”Supply chain problems are a sign of our economic robustness.”

The reality distortion field is strong in this one.
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Yes, years wasted that could have been used by govt and by business had the anti-democratic infants accepted the result of the referendum and allowed the adults to get on with it.
 
Brian said:
Yes, years wasted that could have been used by govt and by business had the anti-democratic infants accepted the result of the referendum and allowed the adults to get on with it.
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Nothing anti democratic about campaigning against carrying out a vote that was a) advisory b) funded by a hostile foreign power. I can see the attraction if you are a Putin bitch but everyone else….
 
tones said:
Someone thinks so:
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...-close-says-top-economist-posen-40920667.html

This Prod Norn Ironer hopes he's right. Trouble is, the united Ireland cannot be simply a continuation of either of the current two bits. It will have to be done in such a way that recognises that a large slice of the Northern population, rightly or wrongly, identify as British, and this will need to continue. Trying to submerge the orange in a tide of green is not the way to go. The last thing we'll need is the triumphalist attitude of the Shinners, which is guaranteed to cause a backlash far worse than the Troubles. As someone said back in the day, if the British Army can't control the IRA, how does the Irish Army control Unionists on the rampage? It doesn't bear thinking about.

I can only hope that someone, somewhere, is considering the possibilities of bringing about a peaceful reunion. The biggest problem is that there will always be a hard core of Unionists who will say no, no matter what form it takes. Why they cling so desperately to a country that equally desperately doesn't want them, can be hard to understand. A lot of it is simply living in a largely fictional/mythological past, a trait on both sides of the Border, although the siege mentality of the Unionists is much stronger, especially at the moment.

There is the money aspect, of course - Norn Iron floats on a sea of British taxpayers' money, at a level that Ireland could never manage. Even at its very best in the century of its existence, Norn Iron was a net recipient from the UK, so national independence is simply not an option, especially with all its traditional industries (ships, linen) gone. Who pays the bills?

I struggle to think of a similar situation elsewhere - the nearest off the top of my head is Canada and Quebec. Who can forget dear old Chuck de Gaulle deliberately putting his foot in it with his Vive le Québec libre! Things seem to have calmed down since the days of René Lévesque, although his Parti Québécois retains the same goal of national independence. The official bilingualism of Canada has helped a bit, I suppose.
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The hope is the Irish gov. and SF go slowly and softly and let things develop over time and see were things land in 10yrs. Full on engagement or forcing the topic only feeds the hard unionists. Sure you can see that here with the couple of Brexity folks. Like the Dups they ignore the realities but jump in when they think the opportunity presents to bang the hollow Lambeg drum. Best to be ignored politely if at all possible.
 
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