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FWIW:
Why bring up TTIP six years after its demise? It was killed in 2016 by Trump's accession, but even before that there were fundamental misgivings among the governments of many member states, including large ones like Germany and France, and more broadly in European public opinion. In 2019 the EC declared it "obsolete and no longer relevant": Trump is gone, but TTIP has not been resuscitated. You seem to consider it an evil treaty that the evil Commission was pushing hard onto an unsuspecting public. An opposite view is that there were so many fundamental disagreements between what the EC wanted and what the US was willing to give, and vice versa, that an agreement was just not possible. It is an example of a monster trade deal being debated and ultimately shelved because too many things were wrong with it. Being a positive sort of pessimist, I see it as a sign that the institutional framework (Council, Commission, Parliament) + various NGOs worked, just about. Other opinions abound.
Other opinions do indeed abound, and I've already explained at length, and more than once, why I brought it up.
CAP: this is a bit of a relic from the early days of the EEC*, but it is still a useful tool for accession countries and for ensuring that small/medium farmers don't get totally wiped out. It redistributes money from richer countries to poorer countries, and ensures the EU produces enough of its own food. It is a large chunk of the EU's budget (around 40%) but this share is declining and the mechanisms have been reformed several times already. There is some abuse of the system, as always when large subsidies are available, but transparency has improved. CAP is very small as a % of the EU's GDP, but it still seems to excite Brexiters in a predictable way.
I don't know enough about the CFP.
(*distant but vivid memories of being grilled on the subject of "benefits of the CAP" by two ruthless examiners in 1979 - I waffled my way through to an average mark.)
You have this way of breezily dismissing points that I have made by quoting a few facts and figures, whilst completely sidelining or ignoring my points.
The CAP dates from the earliest days of the EEC, and it's origins lie in France demanding it as a payoff for accepting tariff-free German manufactured goods. Its aims, as with much EEC/EU rhetoric, were noble enough - food security, protection of rural livelihoods and easy prices for the consumer. In its first 3 decades it supported farmers by subsidising modernisation, intervention buying and high external tariff walls. The effect was to increase the pace of the transfer of labour to capital, create massive overproduction, and cut off the European market to 3rd country producers. The resulting food mountains were often dumped onto external countries, further pauperising their own producers - powdered milk was a particularly notorious example - and enriching middlemen. Farmers were paid to grub up woods and hedges, drain marshland and pipe ditches and drainage channels, destroying thousands upon thousands of hectares of irreplaceable habitat, and the chemical pesticide, herbicide and fertiliser industry employed the agronomists who directly advised farmers. The resulting environmental carnage created virtually barren prairies, destroyed soil structure, created toxic runoff into rivers and seas, and has been blamed for the high incidence of cancers amongst agricultural workers.
Following the Uruguay GATT round between, I think, about 86 and 93, during which the Australian and Kiwi Cairns group succeeded in getting the EU's punitive external tarrif and high intervention subsidies reduced, the system of production subsidy was halted, and the policy turned to area payments incumbent upon increasing degrees, through CAP reforms, of environmental improvement, with greater subsidiarity to the member countries. However this system continued to favour area payments, massively advantaging big landowners. This was supplemented by so-called Pillar 2 Rural Development Schemes, which helped farmers diversify by giving, for example, payments to convert redundant buildings to rural business and holiday lets, or, as in the case of one of my own suppliers, convert a former dairy farm in Dorset into vineyard. However, the single farm Pillar 1 area payment remained, and remains, the largest subsidy.
In the latest CAP round, which came into effect a short while ago, the SFP has been supplemented by a greater qualification requirement to address environmental and greening incentives, though the degree to which this is having a positive effect is shown to be very limited. Many farmers were, in 2020, claiming greening cash that they already qualified for prior to the incentives, and farm checks run to about 1% of claimants. It is pretty much business as usual.
My own sister, who I love dearly, and her husband, farm around 1800 acres of arable land in Essex. In 2019 their total payments ran to a cool £160,000. In 2020, the final year of EU derived subsidy, this increased to £225,000 due largely to greening incentives. For 10 years they ran the farm organically, and when they reverted to conventional farming they continued to plant hedges and trees, maintain wide field boundaries - initially under the Countryside Stewardship Scheme - and to use composted recycled Garden waste, and, dare I say, well-rotted human waste (Thames Water is a major supplier) to fertilise and improve soil structure, so they essentially already qualified for greening payments despite having not previously received them, at least in their current form.
Their lifestyle is, in summary, a great deal better than that of your average Cumbrian or Auvergne Hill farmer.
The CAP remains inefficient, massively bureaucratic, wasteful, and somewhat directionless, and the degree to which it places the gaping maw of capital over both the environment and labour, highly controversial at best.
And even when this country was still in the EU, you, and I, and Steve, f1diddlededee, TonyL and TheDecameron had absolutely no say in the laws that created and maintained it, and no sanction over the unelected officials responsible for it. Zilch. Jackshite. Sweet Fanny Adams.