Beethoven...

Interzone · Mar 30, 2012

Er, dunno really! Just suggestions of something more modern that I can pick over.

Teddy Ray · Mar 30, 2012

Interzone said:
Er, dunno really! Just suggestions of something more modern that I can pick over.

mjw · Mar 30, 2012

Thomas Adès (on EMI and v. cheap)
Gavin Bryars (his latest work out on Naxos but seek out his earlier Titanic piece and "Jesus Blood Never Failed Me Yet" - with a cameo by Tom Waits)
Malcolm Arnold (get the Naxos white box for not much)
Shostakovich (Barshai's live set on Regis for next to nowt)

should keep you busy.

alanbeeb · Mar 30, 2012

I thought he was looking for modern recordigns of beethoven?

mjw · Mar 30, 2012

Perhaps I misunderstood his post no. 21 - thought he was branching out. "something more modern" might well just refer to the recordings - doh.

ciderglider · Mar 30, 2012

mjw said:
Gavin Bryars (his latest work out on Naxos but seek out his earlier Titanic piece and "Jesus Blood Never Failed Me Yet" - with a cameo by Tom Waits).

Get the original version of "Jesus' Blood..."; avoid at all costs the version the tiresome teetotaller Tom.

mjw · Mar 30, 2012

OK.
Ironic you should describe him as the 'teetotaller Tom' because he sounds completely pissed on the recording.
Thanks for the tip. I had no idea alternatives were available. In fact after exposing two wives, one daughter and countless friends to the piece I wondered if only me and Gavin Bryars owned a copy.

ciderglider · Mar 30, 2012

Tom is a talented actor. His Captain Beefheart impression is without equal.

PsB · Mar 30, 2012

alanbeeb said:
I thought he was looking for modern recordigns of beethoven?

That's what I thought. The recordings I listed are reasonably modern with good sound.

Teddy Ray · Mar 30, 2012

ciderglider said:
Tom is a talented actor. His Captain Beefheart impression is without equal.

"down by law" and "coffee and cigarettes" are superb

sideshowbob · Mar 30, 2012

ciderglider said:
Get the original version of "Jesus' Blood..."; avoid at all costs the version the tiresome teetotaller Tom.

+ 1 to that, Waits is such a fraud. Beefheart for wine bars.

As for Gavin Bryars, he should never have given up improvised music. His playing with Derek Bailey and Tony Oxley is the best music he has ever made, by some distance:

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=21802

Teddy Ray · Mar 30, 2012

sideshowbob said:
+ 1 to that, Waits is such a fraud. Beefheart for wine bars.

As for Gavin Bryars, he should never have given up improvised music. His playing with Derek Bailey and Tony Oxley is the best music he has ever made, by some distance:

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=21802

waits fraud??

Waits is incredible. you obviously arent familiar with his catalogue. Don was good , but he did not have even a fraction of the lyrical or songwriting genius that Tom has. not even close. wine bars? lol

Interzone · Mar 31, 2012

alanbeeb said:
I thought he was looking for modern recordigns of beethoven?

Correct

PsB said:
That's what I thought. The recordings I listed are reasonably modern with good sound.

I'll be honest psb, I was using my phone and only looked at the posts with links. I will dissect your post now.

sideshowbob · Mar 31, 2012

Teddy Ray said:
waits fraud??

Waits is incredible. you obviously arent familiar with his catalogue.

I'm intimately familiar with all but his last two records. He's a dullard, avant-lite. Not fit to lick Don's boots.

PsB · Mar 31, 2012

sideshowbob said:
Waits is such a fraud. Beefheart for wine bars.

Good one. Had never thought of connecting the two before.

Teddy Ray · Mar 31, 2012

sideshowbob said:
I'm intimately familiar with all but his last two records. He's a dullard, avant-lite. Not fit to lick Don's boots.

Hilarious. Unfortunately , your theory doesn't work in practice.

If you find him dull, then why are you "intimately familar" with his records? If I think something shit, I dont listen to it.

Flash in the pan oddity with a cult following vs Hall of Famer with unparalelled lyric and songwriting ability.

I could point to critical acclaim(and not top 40 type shit), record sales, the sheer number of musicians that have been influenced by him(Waits, not Don)

but that would be a cheap shot.

Tony L · Mar 31, 2012

I'm impressed that a thread about Beethoven can swiftly become an argument as to the merit or lack thereof of Tom Waits. Takes some doing that.

kendo · Mar 31, 2012

Tom Waits is much better than Beethoven

sideshowbob · Mar 31, 2012

Teddy Ray said:
I could point to critical acclaim(and not top 40 type shit), record sales, the sheer number of musicians that have been influenced by him(Waits, not Don)

You can point to all those things, yes, but none of them are a decent argument for Waits being anything other than a minor wine bar crooner with a taste for a very sanitised nightclub avant-garderie.

Interzone · Mar 31, 2012

Tony L said:
I'm impressed that a thread about Beethoven can swiftly become an argument as to the merit or lack thereof of Tom Waits. Takes some doing that.

Yeah, this thread is starting to smell distinctly like crap.

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