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Auschwitz - we must never forget

Between a quarter and half a million Roma gypsies were also murdered by the Nazi but people hardly mentioned them...at all.

Yes a quarter of the Roma population were murdered, unbelievable.

I read Lawrence Reese's Auschwitz (think it was his book) and there was a bit in about the Roma, apparently there was a Roma hut where the Roma were taken and at the end when the camp was being evacuated/abandoned the Nazis torched the hut the book also stated that proportionately the Roma suffered more deaths than any other ethnic group.

"On December 16, 1942, Himmler ordered that the Romani candidates for extermination should be transferred from ghettos to the extermination facilities of Auschwitz-Birkenau. On November 15, 1943, Himmler ordered that Romani and "part-Romanies" were to be put "on the same level as Jews and placed in concentration camps".[40] The camp authorities housed Roma in a special compound that was called the "Gypsy family camp." Some 23,000 Roma, Sinti and Lalleri were deported to Auschwitz altogether.[1] In concentration camps such as Auschwitz, Gypsies wore brown or black triangular patches, the symbol for "asocials," or green ones, the symbol for professional criminals, and less frequently the letter "Z" (meaning Zigeuner, German word for gypsy)".


" In May 1944 at Auschwitz, SS guards tried to liquidate the Gypsy Family Camp and were "met with unexpected resistance". When ordered to come out, they refused, having been warned and arming themselves with crude weapons – iron pipes, shovels, and other tools used for labor. The SS chose not to confront the Roma directly and withdrew for several months. After transferring as many as 3,000 Roma who were capable of forced labor to Auschwitz I and other concentration camps, the SS moved against the remaining 2,898 inmates on August 2. The SS killed nearly all of the remaining inmates — most of them ill, elderly men, women, or children, in the gas chambers of Birkenau. At least 19,000 of the 23,000 Roma sent to Auschwitz perished there".[18]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_genocide
 
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Jehovah's Witnesses suffered religious persecution in Nazi Germany between 1933 and 1945 after refusing to perform military service, join Naziorganizations or give allegiance to the Hitler regime. An estimated 10,000 Witnesses—half of the number of members in Germany during that period—were imprisoned, including 2000 who were sent to Nazi concentration camps. An estimated 1200 died in custody, including 250 who were executed. They were the first Christian denomination banned by the Nazi government and the most extensively and intensively persecuted.[1]

Unlike Jews and Romani, who were persecuted on the basis of their ethnicity, Jehovah's Witnesses could escape persecution and personal harm by renouncing their religious beliefs by signing a document indicating renunciation of their faith, submission to state authority, and support of the German military.[2] Historian Sybil Milton concludes that "their courage and defiance in the face of torture and death punctures the myth of a monolithic Nazi state ruling over docile and submissive subjects."[3]

Despite early attempts to demonstrate shared goals with the National Socialist regime, the group came under increasing public and governmental persecution from 1933, with many expelled from jobs and schools, deprived of income, and suffering beatings and imprisonment. Historians are divided over whether the Nazis intended to exterminate them, but several authors have claimed the Witnesses' outspoken condemnation of the Nazis contributed to their level of suffering.
 
I spoke in Rome to a Roma man from Yugoslavia who told me that in his country the Roma people got off relatively well, because Tito protected them. He also pointed out that there is virtually no documentation regarding Roma victims because while the Jews wrote a great deal, the Roma wrote practically nothing, during and after.
 
Two points:
- As I guess many viewers of the recent "Greatest events of WWII" I was astonished to find out about the fire-bombing of Tokyo with pre-NAPLAM bombs on March 9-10. 100,000 estimated dead, more than any of the atomic bombs, yet hardly heard of.
- While Antisemitism existed long before with hundreds of thousands dead because of it before 1933, after reading and watching too much (My netflix account 1st 2nd and 3rd choices are always WWI WWII or holocaust related) it emerges how much Hitler (ימ"ש) was personally responsible for those great atrocities, war victims holocaust and other. From distance it looks like one Amok run by one charismatic living death angel.
 
What is this? I've never seen it before.

Sorry, I just could not mention his name without adding this, the Hebrew abbr. for "May his name and memory be blotted out". Far from religious, but I do believe in the power of words and feeling guilty for praising him in a sort of convoluted way.

(Just realizing how this resembles Voldermort "he who must not be named" :) )
 
My late mother was Norwegian, born in 1942 during the Nazi occupation. I knew her father [my grandfather] who was active in the Norwegian Resistance throughout the occupation and survived the War, living till 1993. He was blown eighteen months before the end of the War and was thus an outlaw in his own country for his anti-German activities. Eighteen months of never staying in one place for more than one night. In his old age he would sometimes start a story, but never once did he get to the end of it. He would go quiet and then take himself to bed.

I am not going to gloss what my grandmother [his wife] told me as she really could not forgive the Nazis, though my grandfather accepted some difference between Nazi and non-Nazi Germans.
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I visited Lublin [Majdanec] Camp in Poland in 2006. It was the day after All Souls Day [which Poland takes very seriously], and there was the first snow of Winter at Lublin. It was an unforgettable visit and the place was terrible even then. I still have the little visitor guide in Polish and English. I last read through it at Easter last year.
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If anyone is curious as to how the people of Britain might have reacted had the Nazi invasion of the UK taken place, they need only read up on the occupation of the Channel Islands. No room for doubt after that. The British would have collaborated in sufficient numbers to allow the horror to have happened here in the UK. The British have no reason for smugness on this. The evidence is there for anyone to examine and think about.
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I have absolutely no hope for human nature. As a specie we are tribal at a very primal level. Of course we think we have a liberal outlook that suppresses this more or less inherent tribalism, but it is there and shows its ugly head in countless instances throughout history and still in the post Holocaust era. I don't think the Western Judeo-Christian culture is inherently more or less flawed than other cultures. Look at Myanmar today concerning the treatment of their Muslim minority as an ongoing tribal horror.

Strangely, we have advanced to a point where the human population has long ago exceeded what is sustainable, and as the system of agriculture collapses under the weight of this population and its destruction the of environment, I believe that the worst of the tribal evil of our specie is still in front of us.

Best wishes from George
I've been to majdanek too. It's a chilling place in its own right but I remember taking the local bus to reach it and was struck by coming to the last block of flats at the edge of town and then immediately a death camp next door.
Thank
I appreciate most people won't go and probably don't need to if they are switched on and educated, however it should be mandatory for doubters and deniers.

I understand that Chelsea football club (owned by a Russian Jew) has taken fans guilty of racist chanting on a visit to Auschwitz. I don't know what the outcome was but I commend the intention behind the action.
 
Two points:
- As I guess many viewers of the recent "Greatest events of WWII" I was astonished to find out about the fire-bombing of Tokyo with pre-NAPLAM bombs on March 9-10. 100,000 estimated dead, more than any of the atomic bombs, yet hardly heard of.

The Tokyo "fire raid" was the most destructive air raid in history, far surpassing the RAF's better-known effort in Dresden. The pressurised B-29s, flying largely beyond the reach of Japanese anti-aircraft defences (not that there were many at that stage), did actually have some napalm bombs, as well as conventional incendiaries.
 
Sorry, I just could not mention his name without adding this, the Hebrew abbr. for "May his name and memory be blotted out". Far from religious, but I do believe in the power of words and feeling guilty for praising him in a sort of convoluted way.

(Just realizing how this resembles Voldermort "he who must not be named" :) )

Would it be possible to spell out more literally what this is? I may use it in other contexts, and would hate to get it wrong somehow.

Google translate seems to think it means IMC, which I’m guessing is acronymic.
 
Good Afternoon All,

I wouldn't seek to trivialise the horrors perpetrated at any of the concentration camps in WWII, I am however intrigued we still refer to Auschwitz by its 'German' name rather than the 'correct' Polish one - Oświęcim (with or without the accents)?

Regards

Richard
 
Did the Polish build and run the camp?

Auschwitz I
Growth

Auschwitz I, 2013 (50.027606°N 19.203088°E)

Auschwitz I, 2009; the prisoner reception center of Auschwitz I became the visitor reception center of the Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum.[19]

Former prisoner reception center; the building on the far left with the row of chimneys was the camp kitchen.

Auschwitz I, 4 April 1944
A former World War I camp for transient workers, and later a Polish army barracks, Auschwitz I was the main camp (Stammlager) and administrative headquarters of the camp complex. Situated 50 kms southwest of Kraków, the site was first suggested in February 1940 as a quarantine camp for Polish prisoners by SS-Oberführer Arpad Wigand, the inspector of the Sicherheitspolizei (security police) and deputy of SS-Obergruppenführer Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski, the Higher SS and Police Leader for Silesia. Richard Glücks, head of the Concentration Camps Inspectorate, sent former Sachsenhausen concentration camp commandant Walter Eisfeld to inspect it.[20] Around 1,000 m long and 400 m wide,[21] Auschwitz consisted at the time of 22 brick buildings, eight of them two-story; a second story was added to the others in 1943 and eight new blocks were built.[22]

Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler, head of the Schutzstaffel (SS), approved the site in April 1940 on the recommendation of SS-ObersturmbannführerRudolf Höss of the camps inspectorate. Höss oversaw the development of the camp and served as its first commandant. The first 30 prisoners arrived on 20 May 1940 from the Sachsenhausen camp in Oranienburg, Germany. German "career criminals" (Berufsverbrecher), the men were known as "greens" (Grünen) after the green triangles they had to wear on their prison clothing. Brought to the camp as functionaries, this group did much to establish the sadism of early camp life, which was directed particularly at Polish inmates, until the political prisoners took over their roles.[23] Bruno Brodniewitsch, the first prisoner (who was given serial number 1), became Lagerältester (camp elder); the others were given positions such as kapo and block supervisor.[24]

Auschwitz II-Birkenau
Construction

Auschwitz II-Birkenau gate from inside the camp, 2007

The same scene, May/June 1944, with the gate in the background. "Selection" of Hungarian Jews, chosen either for work or the gas chamber. Photograph from the Auschwitz Album.

Gate with the camp remains in the background, 2009
After visiting Auschwitz I in March 1941, it appears that Himmler ordered that the camp be expanded,[37] although Peter Hayes notes that, on 10 January 1941, the Polish underground told the Polish government-in-exile in London: "the Auschwitz concentration camp ...can accommodate approximately 7,000 prisoners at present, and is to be rebuilt to hold approximately 30,000."[38] Construction of Auschwitz II-Birkenau—called a Kriegsgefangenenlager(prisoner-of-war camp) on blueprints—began in October 1941 in Brzezinka, about three kilometers from Auschwitz I.[39] The initial plan was that Auschwitz II would consist of four sectors (Bauabschnitte I–IV), each consisting of six subcamps (BIIa–BIIf) with their own gates and fences. The first two sectors were completed (sector BI was initially a quarantine camp), but the construction of BIII began in 1943 and stopped in April 1944, and the plan for BIV was abandoned.[40]

SS-Sturmbannführer Karl Bischoff, an architect, was the chief of construction.[37] Based on an initial budget of RM 8.9 million, his plans called for each barracks to hold 550 prisoners, but he later changed this to 744 per barracks, which meant the camp could hold 125,000, rather than 97,000.[41] There were 174 barracks, each measuring 35.4 by 11.0 metres (116 by 36 ft), divided into 62 bays of 4 square metres (43 sq ft). The bays were divided into "roosts", initially for three inmates and later for four. With personal space of 1 square metre (11 sq ft) to sleep and place whatever belongings they had, inmates were deprived, Robert-Jan van Pelt wrote, "of the minimum space needed to exist".[42]

The prisoners were forced to live in the barracks as they were building them; in addition to working, they faced long roll calls at night. As a result, most prisoners in BIb (the men's camp) in the early months died of hypothermia, starvation or exhaustion within a few weeks.[43] Some 10,000 Soviet prisoners of war arrived at Auschwitz I between 7 and 25 October 1941,[44] but by 1 March 1942 only 945 were still registered; they were transferred to Auschwitz II,[45] where most of them had died by May.[46]

Auschwitz III-Monowitz
Main article: Monowitz concentration camp

Detailed map of Buna Werke, Monowitz, and nearby subcamps
After examining several sites for a new plant to manufacture Buna-N, a type of synthetic rubber essential to the war effort, the German chemical cartel IG Farben chose a site near the towns of Dwory and Monowice (Monowitz in German), about 7 kilometres (4.3 mi) east of Auschwitz I.[54] Tax exemptions were available to corporations prepared to develop industries in the frontier regions under the Eastern Fiscal Assistance Law, passed in December 1940. In addition to its proximity to the concentration camp, a source of cheap labor, the site had good railway connections and access to raw materials.[55] In February 1941, Himmler ordered that the Jewish population of Oświęcim be expelled to make way for skilled laborers; that all Poles able to work remain in the town and work on building the factory; and that Auschwitz prisoners be used in the construction work.[56]

Auschwitz inmates began working at the plant, known as Buna Werke and IG-Auschwitz, in April 1941, and demolishing houses in Monowitz to make way for it.[57] By May, because of a shortage of trucks, several hundred of them were rising at 3 am to walk there twice a day from Auschwitz I.[58] Because a long line of exhausted inmates walking through the town of Oświęcim might harm German-Polish relations, the inmates were told to shave daily, make sure they were clean, and sing as they walked. From late July they were taken to the factory by train on freight wagons.[59] Given the difficulty of moving them, including during the winter, IG Farben decided to build a camp at the plant. The first inmates moved there on 30 October 1942.[60] Known as KL Auschwitz III-Aussenlager (Auschwitz III subcamp), and later as the Monowitz concentration camp,[61] it was the first concentration camp to be financed and built by private industry.[62]


Heinrich Himmler (second left) visits the IG Farben plant in Auschwitz III, July 1942.
Measuring 270 by 490 metres (890 ft × 1,610 ft), the camp was larger than Auschwitz I. By the end of 1944, it housed 60 barracks measuring 17.5 by 8 metres (57 ft × 26 ft), each with a day room and a sleeping room containing 56 three-tiered wooden bunks.[63] IG Farben paid the SS three or four Reichsmark for nine- to eleven-hour shifts from each worker.[64] In 1943–1944, about 35,000 inmates worked at the plant; 23,000 (32 a day on average) died as a result of malnutrition, disease, and the workload. Within three to four months at the camp, Peter Hayes writes, the inmates were "reduced to walking skeletons".[65] Deaths and transfers to the gas chambers at Auschwitz II reduced the population by nearly a fifth each month.[66] Site managers constantly threatened inmates with the gas chambers, and the smell from the crematoria at Auschwitz I and II hung heavy over the camp.[67]

Although the factory had been expected to begin production in 1943, shortages of labor and raw materials meant start-up was postponed repeatedly.[68] The Allies bombed the plant in 1944 on 20 August, 13 September, 18 December, and 26 December. On 19 January 1945, the SS ordered that the site be evacuated, sending 9,000 inmates, most of them Jews, on a death march to another Auschwitz subcamp at Gliwice.[69] From Gliwice, prisoners were taken by rail in open freight wagons to the Buchenwald and Mauthausen concentration camps. The 800 inmates who had been left behind in the Monowitz hospital were liberated along with the rest of the camp on 27 January 1945 by the 1st Ukrainian Front of the Red Army.[70]


According to Aleksander Lasik, about 6,335 people (6,161 of them men) worked for the SS at Auschwitz over the course of the camp's existence;[85] 4.2 percent were officers, 26.1 percent non-commissioned officers, and 69.7 percent rank and file.[86] In March 1941, there were 700 SS guards; in June 1942, 2000; and in August 1944, 3,342. At its peak in January 1945, 4,480 SS men and 71 SS women worked in Auschwitz; the higher number is probably attributable to the logistics of evacuating the camp.[87] Female guards were known as SS supervisors (SS-Aufseherinnen).[88]

Most of the staff were from Germany or Austria, but as the war progressed, increasing numbers of Volksdeutsche from other countries, including Czechoslovakia, Poland, Yugoslavia, and the Baltic states, joined the SS at Auschwitz. Not all were ethnically German. Guards were also recruited from Hungary, Romania, and Slovakia.[89] Camp guards, around three quarters of the SS personnel, were members of the SS-Totenkopfverbände (death's headunits).[90] Other SS staff worked in the medical or political departments, or in the economic administration, which was responsible for clothing and other supplies, including the property of dead prisoners.[91] The SS viewed Auschwitz as a comfortable posting; being there meant they had avoided the front and had access to the victims' property.[92]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp
 
Good Afternoon All,

I wouldn't seek to trivialise the horrors perpetrated at any of the concentration camps in WWII, I am however intrigued we still refer to Auschwitz by its 'German' name rather than the 'correct' Polish one - Oświęcim (with or without the accents)?

Regards

Richard
I've wondered about that. I guess they brought it to its awful prominence and it stuck. It's also easier for most people to pronounce.
 
Good Afternoon All,

I wouldn't seek to trivialise the horrors perpetrated at any of the concentration camps in WWII, I am however intrigued we still refer to Auschwitz by its 'German' name rather than the 'correct' Polish one - Oświęcim (with or without the accents)?

Regards

Richard
Wasn't Oświęcim the town and Auschwitz the camp?
 
Wasn't Oświęcim the town and Auschwitz the camp?

The Auschwitz concentration camp (Konzentrationslager Auschwitz) was a complex of over 40 concentration and extermination camps operated by Nazi Germany in occupied Poland during World War II and the Holocaust. It consisted of Auschwitz I, the main camp (Stammlager) in Oświęcim; Auschwitz II–Birkenau, a concentration and extermination camp built with several gas chambers; Auschwitz III–Monowitz, a labor camp created to staff a factory for the chemical conglomerate IG Farben; and dozens of sub-camps.[3] The camps became a major site of the Nazis' Final Solution to the Jewish Question.
 
Sorry, I just could not mention his name without adding this, the Hebrew abbr. for "May his name and memory be blotted out". Far from religious, but I do believe in the power of words and feeling guilty for praising him in a sort of convoluted way.

(Just realizing how this resembles Voldermort "he who must not be named" :) )


Thanks. But I suppose many hear would say that his name mustn't be blotted out, that remembering is essential.
 


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