Has any of us listened to a measurement? If I decide to just what part of the music should I listen to and for what.
Yawn
Me, too. I think the initial premise is false, as gustav points out.I got about five minutes into that patronising diatribe.
Erin’s audio corner, excellent reviews, Erin purchased a hugely expensive Klippel NFS measurement rig.
Keith
Measurements are essential, as an engineering tool during the design and development process; and for repairs, etc. It doesn't follow that they are necessary as part of the subjective evaluation process. It's like somebody says 'I've got this box of tools, so I'm going to use them', without recognising that they may not be the most appropriate thing for the circumstances. As somebody once said 'if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail'.I’ve not bothered to watch the video. I can’t help thinking that measurements would be the answer if there was a way to correlate hearing and the brain’s interpretation of hearing. In other words, we all hear differently so measurements are worthless.
Measurements are essential, as an engineering tool during the design and development process; and for repairs, etc. It doesn't follow that they are necessary as part of the subjective evaluation process. It's like somebody says 'I've got this box of tools, so I'm going to use them', without recognising that they may not be the most appropriate thing for the circumstances. As somebody once said 'if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail'.
Fair point, but how many products actually make it to market with numbers like that? It does seem to me that most products measure ‘acceptably’ and then we’re into discussion of what degree of ‘better than acceptable’ is required. I do sometimes feel that the measurement contingent will, on the one hand, argue that a measured criterion which is 0.05% is ‘better’ than one at 0.1%, and will affect the sound ‘like this’ while simultaneously arguing elsewhere that a difference of 0.05% is likely to be inaudible.I was going to post on the lines of only a complete moron would consider measurements unimportant.... your post kinda covers it though.
It's not possible to design hi fi gear without measurements!!
For the purchaser of hi fi they are still important in as much as it allows you to avoid the real stinkers.
As I keep saying on this subject, an item that measures as having a roll off below 70Hz or above 9KHz or has 6% distortion is going to sound very obviously wrong.
Fair point, but how many products actually make it to market with numbers like that? It does seem to me that most products measure ‘acceptably’ and then we’re into discussion of what degree of ‘better than acceptable’ is required. I do sometimes feel that the measurement contingent will, on the one hand, argue that a measured criterion which is 0.05% is ‘better’ than one at 0.1%, and will affect the sound ‘like this’ while simultaneously arguing elsewhere that a difference of 0.05% is likely to be inaudible.