I'd be surprised if many thought today's Tories were centre-right.
2024 local elections
- Thread starter Sue Pertwee-Tyr
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I'd be surprised if many thought today's Tories were centre-right.
A decent set of election results for Labour; maybe even good in some cases. Starmer is turning his Party inside out - instead of facing the comrades, he is facing the country. More mayors onside which might be a big plus should Starmer win. And a great result for 3rd-term Khan. The Greens didn't win Bristol which was a surprise (nor any other councils for that matter). They did get a few more seats but you can't help but think they need to up their game. Didn't see them on TV either despite outperforming Reform. Lib Dems move into second spot but they always tend to do well locally. Labour on course to win the GE. Things to keep an eye out for - voter turnout, Scotland, and the morass of independents.
Barrymagrec
pfm Member
The Greens came within 70 votes of the LDs in London - battle for third place could become the main point of interest.
AnilS
pfm Member
Taking of decent journos, challenge the interviewee and this happens.
Sangita Myska leaves LBC as Vanessa Feltz joins in schedule shake-up
The presenter's departure follows speculation about her position at the talk radio station.
www.bbc.co.uk
gez
pfm Member
So we have a new London Mayor, elected with less than 18% of London's population voting for them. The London Mayoral election system is broken, no Mayor ever has a mandate from the people to run our city, yet they have the power to totally destroy it's transport system at the very least. It needs to be reformed: Mandatory voting and winner must achieve more than 50% of the vote. If it can work for Countries it can work for cities.
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
Muslim second, surely?
Tony L
Administrator
I don’t believe in mandatory voting, but removing the Tories voter ID gerrymandering scam would be a big help. I’d be very interested to see just how many that deterred from voting. I’m betting a lot. Having to obtain a formal form of ID one doesn’t have is a massive hassle and inconvenience for something one may not care about that much. This is obviously the whole point. It was a blatant attempt to shift turnout towards the wealthier and more elderly section of society the Tories view as their base. That said even with this blatant gerrymandering the Tories still couldn’t get their truly vile racist conspiracy theorist candidate into contention.
gavreid
Pretty Words...
The christian ones! There's about 20 000+ of them. Why isn't the church up in arms. There's hardly been a peep out of them
gingermrkettle
Deep vein trombonist
Christian Aid in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory (IoPt) - Christian Aid
Christian Aid has been working with the poorest people in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory (IoPt) since the early 1950s.
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gez
pfm Member
Can't talk about the rest of the country but with a turn out of barely more than 40% in London, down by just 1.5% from the last election, I think there's no evidence that introducing proof of ID to vote had any effect. Not in London at least.
I had no idea that the ID thing was a result of the Tory's. Irrespective, I have no issue with having to prove you have the right to vote when doing so. In fact I'd go as far as saying you should need to do so, otherwise how do you avoid voter corruption? Again, it's something other countries do for their general elections, so I see no issue with it in principle. Of course it is clearly a change that needs to be properly thought out, and given that we don't have compulsory ID in this country (as they do in other countries where it's used when voting), we'd need to implement some form of "election ID" system as an alternative.
gez
pfm Member
What do you have against it? Just curious.
Tony L
Administrator
It is a non-issue. IIRC more Tory MPs in this parliament have been charged with sex offences than there was voter fraud in the last election in the whole UK. It is gerrymandering of exactly the same design the Republican Party use to disenfranchise black and poor inner city voters in the USA.
gavreid
Pretty Words...
Yes my question is about why it isn't politicised in the same way. Why are they not demanding an end to the slaughter or to the sale of arms? Why is it not feeding into the elections in the same way?Christian Aid in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory (IoPt) - Christian Aid
Christian Aid has been working with the poorest people in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territory (IoPt) since the early 1950s.
gez
pfm Member
By the way, I think you're incorrect when it comes to the relationship between wealth and voting Conservative in the UK, at least if this 2017 YouGov chart is true. The days of when the working class predominantly voted Labour are well and truly gone:
Though they seem to agree that age is a predictor of voting choice:
yougov.co.uk
Though they seem to agree that age is a predictor of voting choice:
The demographics dividing Britain | YouGov
As the campaign starts, YouGov data shows how class, age, gender, education and income will shape the electorate
yougov.co.uk
Tony L
Administrator
Authoritarianism. It is only one step removed from Mugabe, Putin or whatever stooges standing outside polling stations with baseball bats. Any true democracy includes the right to stay away should one wish. This is especially true under FPTP systems such as ours. I fully understand my vote is a waste of my time as it will never count towards representation. This is true for anyone who doesn’t live in a marginal seat where a party or candidate they want is actually in contention. In my entire voting life I have only been represented in the EU elections.
I do still vote despite this, but only as a protest to provide further statistical data for the campaign for PR. If I had to get photos done for what I fully understand is a waste of my time I’d likely stay home. As it happens I still have a couple of years on my passport and, so I’ll keep having my vote counted for PR-supporting minority parties national total.
paulfromcamden
Baffled
By the way, I think you're incorrect when it comes to the relationship between wealth and voting Conservative in the UK, at least if this 2017 YouGov chart is true. The days of when the working class predominantly voted Labour are well and truly gone:
Though they seem to agree that age is a predictor of voting choice:
The demographics dividing Britain | YouGov
As the campaign starts, YouGov data shows how class, age, gender, education and income will shape the electorate
And education.
How Britain voted in the 2019 general election | YouGov
YouGov conducts one of Britain's biggest ever post-election surveys to chart how the nation's political character is shifting
yougov.co.uk
gez
pfm Member
Yes indeed, seems to be the most accurate determinant on voting choice.And education.
How Britain voted in the 2019 general election | YouGov
YouGov conducts one of Britain's biggest ever post-election surveys to chart how the nation's political character is shifting