Konteebos
Surfing on the lake of fire
They played a track by Clipping (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipping_(band)) in the Audio Note room when I was there, I didn't die of happiness but it was a very good track.
Cranage 2023
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They played a track by Clipping (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipping_(band)) in the Audio Note room when I was there, I didn't die of happiness but it was a very good track.
Knipester
pfm Member
Alan’s leaving hospital today to continue his recovery
keiron99
pfm Member
Dunno what time the video was shot but it look dead quiet compared to when I was there on Saturday morning. Couldn't get in some rooms. There were short queues to listen to the headphones (people milling around not trying to put pressure on those actually listening then diving in when the seat became available!)
Konteebos
Surfing on the lake of fire
That was the 1st Hi-Fi show I've been to in at least 25 years and, overall, I enjoyed it.
I thought that PMC and Neat had good sounding, reasonably priced speakers. The new £6000 Ophidian speakers impressed me and I enjoyed listening to the Klipsch Forte 4s. Most impressive for me were the large Coppice speakers, with the Lowther drive units, they had incredible dynamics!
Honourable mentions to the Audio Note room, Cyrus room, Audiocounsel room and Atoll/Audium room.
Naim sounded horrible (as they always seem to at shows) and I though the Tannoy speakers were pretty poor, too.
I thought that PMC and Neat had good sounding, reasonably priced speakers. The new £6000 Ophidian speakers impressed me and I enjoyed listening to the Klipsch Forte 4s. Most impressive for me were the large Coppice speakers, with the Lowther drive units, they had incredible dynamics!
Honourable mentions to the Audio Note room, Cyrus room, Audiocounsel room and Atoll/Audium room.
Naim sounded horrible (as they always seem to at shows) and I though the Tannoy speakers were pretty poor, too.
Then I'm sorry but you must be very easily pleased. Each to their own I guess, but I had to stop at 15 seconds in, couldn't stand another moment of it.
keiron99
pfm Member
Which would likely explain why hifi shows are not for young people who have mortgages and car loans to pay!
Most ordinary people would be absolutely staggered to learn the price of equipment at these shows. (Even I was metaphorically shaking my head at much of it and saying to myself: "How much?!")
It's certainly not for your average working man (or woman).
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
Accuphase all the way down
Yep, it's probably half a year's worth of half-caff skinny lattes from the artisan coffee shop near work. And maybe means forgoing the smashed avo on toast now and then, too.
I jest, but people prioritise their spending and we might not always agree with how they do that, but it's their choice.
Mike Hughes
pfm Member
1 - I love “cheap shot” responses. An instant way to publicly show you’re joining in a rush to criticise but haven’t really grasped the issue. The whole point was that if this is the demographic then the future of such events will ultimately be in question. We already know from the insisted that the people who buy and the people who come to shows look different in many respects. For the sake of shows that should contribute to be a concern.
2 - I’ve since spoken to two people at the event for both days as one is reporting for several publications. They confirmed that over the two days there was generally less interest in the headphones space and numbers were roughly around fifty percent of what the other rooms were getting. Perhaps you’d like to highlight for everybody where I said that young people are “only” interested in headphones? If you’re going to bother with a detailed response please at least put some effort into not then hallucinating what it is you’re commenting on.
3 - please look at the video, if you have at all. Many of the banners were located in positions where it would simply be physically impossible to look closer without risking touching, knocking or moving kit. And let’s be frank here. If you can’t locate a banner where it can simply be seen and read then what on earth are you doing? If the text in your banner is so small it would be a struggle to see it regardless then, again, you don’t know what you’re doing.
4 - you have completely misunderstood the point to which you respond. Indeed you have got it exactly backwards.
5 - again you miss the point. The music “in the video” absolutely couldn’t demonstrate the variety but it’s hard to imagine it was too far off given the sheer number of rooms videod. Nor was my point that they should play music I like. I also have no doubt that you could indeed ask for specific tracks or play your own stuff. My point was that this is never advertised. Shows have spent years being increasingly ridiculed by the outside world for playing a limited selection of music and many have a desire to change that. None of them ever advertise the fact. Basic and ludicrous. I know literally hundreds of people I’ve gone to shows with over the decades and either they, their partners or children would never go again simply because they couldn’t gauge anything against the stuff they love. Nowadays, in some instances, they absolutely could but who is telling them that in advance? No-one.
6 - frankly a ludicrous comment. Again the wider (pardon the pun) point. Manage your space. People block doors all the time. Their conversation is so much more important than other people getting in/out of a room. Ultimately the responsibility for that is the person running the room. It doesn’t take much to politely remind along the lines of “Excuse me would you mind coming further into the room please so others can get in/out easily?” Done once at the right moment the room attendees themselves take over and do the reminding for you. In other contexts I have run events like this and it’s a really basic conference/event courtesy that the hospitality industry and others do really well. It’s genuinely basic stuff. People in the audio industry haven’t got a clue on stuff like this and for those punters looking to spend maybe an hour or two tops then many rooms will get a head round the door and maybe thirty seconds. If you can’t even do that because no-one is managing the door then you lose people. It’s no different Io those shops which conduct business right in front of their front doors and then wonder why the person at the window didn’t come in.
7 - again, wholly the wrong end of the point being made. It was a sunny day. The point was not about the general light. It was about the lighting people brought with them which appeared in almost all the video examples to have been set up to show kit in its harshest light.
Thanks for the detailed response but
ex brickie
pfm Member
Someone mentioned decent sounding Kudos speakers. Which models were they playing - and with what?
ex brickie
pfm Member
And what gear was being demo'd in Brian and Trevor's room? They are dealers for a few brands (not just House of Linn)?
YNWOAN
100% Analogue
I’m sorry, I can’t waste any more time on this worthless nonsense. When life brings you lemons obviously you should whinge on incessantly about the texture of their skin, the hardness of their pips and the tartness of their juice. Or, in your case, their inability to be blue or sufficiently triangular!
YNWOAN
100% Analogue
Active ATC40s with twin Rel subwoofers - all fed from some kind of steamer (I don’t have much interest in streamers). Once upon a time they were ‘house of Linn’ but these days there is no mention of Linn and they are ‘the original house of hi-fi’ - a bold claim that most would dispute as impossible (the ‘original’ bit).
Heckyman
pfm Member
Had a fantastic time on Sunday although we only made it around about 2/3 of the rooms, maybe we shouldn't have played that game of chess before we went in ;-)
What came across is how passionate many/most exhibitors are, not just about the equipment but the music too — if the room was not packed and you actually spent the time to engage. Some rooms were like visiting a mate's and thumbing through their vinyl collection (or playlists) and just being played (and sometimes playing) some cool music. As you might expect, some of the bigger rooms were more professional and "marketing focussed": Kef were playing Deadmaus (which I do like) but they seemed obliged to follow that with "some more typical audio show music" as the demonstrator muttered semi-apologetically. I only lasted another minute despite being interested in the speakers. But maybe that's what at least some of the audience wants to hear — as an example, I was in another room that asked for requests and someone came forward with a treasured LP; whilst it wasn't quite as horrible as the "typical audio show music", it was boring enough to prompt me to leave — and I have eclectic tastes.
Impossible to suit everyone but life's too short to whinge, there are more than enough rooms to just move to the next one if you don't like what's playing at the time...
I enjoyed hearing interesting types of speakers (and sometimes amplification) I wouldn't normally, in order of visiting: Pink Floyd PA (guitar parts sounded particularly amazing), Kerr Acoustics, Coppice audio, Node, Phonia, Audionec, Hex3, Grimm, Etude high sensitivity dipole with 2.3W SET amp from Super Natural Audio. All impressive in different ways.
Big thumbs up to G-point audio for playing right til the deadline and obliging us with some Radiohead.
What came across is how passionate many/most exhibitors are, not just about the equipment but the music too — if the room was not packed and you actually spent the time to engage. Some rooms were like visiting a mate's and thumbing through their vinyl collection (or playlists) and just being played (and sometimes playing) some cool music. As you might expect, some of the bigger rooms were more professional and "marketing focussed": Kef were playing Deadmaus (which I do like) but they seemed obliged to follow that with "some more typical audio show music" as the demonstrator muttered semi-apologetically. I only lasted another minute despite being interested in the speakers. But maybe that's what at least some of the audience wants to hear — as an example, I was in another room that asked for requests and someone came forward with a treasured LP; whilst it wasn't quite as horrible as the "typical audio show music", it was boring enough to prompt me to leave — and I have eclectic tastes.
Impossible to suit everyone but life's too short to whinge, there are more than enough rooms to just move to the next one if you don't like what's playing at the time...
I enjoyed hearing interesting types of speakers (and sometimes amplification) I wouldn't normally, in order of visiting: Pink Floyd PA (guitar parts sounded particularly amazing), Kerr Acoustics, Coppice audio, Node, Phonia, Audionec, Hex3, Grimm, Etude high sensitivity dipole with 2.3W SET amp from Super Natural Audio. All impressive in different ways.
Big thumbs up to G-point audio for playing right til the deadline and obliging us with some Radiohead.
Mike Hughes
pfm Member
No it never crossed my mind.
What on earth makes you think I’m worked up? I posted my thoughts on the video and other people can’t stop posting about it. If there have been sensible responses I feel no need to respond. If there are responses, as per the last one, which don’t even grasp the points being made before writing their own long response then it hardly seems outrageous to suggest that they’re the ones getting more than a little worked up.
bencat
Amplifier Destroyer par excellence
My point was not aimed directly at you or I would have made that clear . There seems a few getting worked up about frankly minor points . You have stayed your view through your video and I might disagree but as I said it is hardly worth making comments it is only a HiFi Show not the second coming .
sonddek
Trade: SUPATRAC
I nearly posted The Message, but decided Paid In Full was a bit more demonstrative of the genre as it developed. I bought the 12-inch single of The Message when it was in the charts. I was 14. You're right - it always sounds pukka. Today I've been listening to The Messiah, not The Message. I think we have a duty to try to understand and appreciate just about every kind of music. Sometimes it's difficult, but hidden surprises still await us all.
TheFlash
Reiki Audio
Classic!
Alex S
carbon based lifeform
Music at shows can be a bit baffling. I get the Absolute Sound plinky plonky, and Classical does seem to empty a room but people like Kevin Scott, Sean Casey, Bob Surgeoner have pretty eclectic musical tastes. Bob always plays good stuff but are the exhibitors afraid their equipment will fall apart (Wilson speakers usually do if you play something like the Eels) or do they just think the attendees want to hear what predominantly gets played? Is pfm just a sub-section of the largely old white demographic but with actual variety in musical taste?