suzywong
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My father used to load them onto the Lancs. He was Irish, not too keen on the English, saw the Nazis as a threat to his world (his words, not mine), joined the RAF.
Ukraine III
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My father used to load them onto the Lancs. He was Irish, not too keen on the English, saw the Nazis as a threat to his world (his words, not mine), joined the RAF.
Hook
Blackbeard's former bo'sun.
How she came to the conclusion that ending sanctions and military support for Ukraine will somehow bring Putin to a negotiated peace escapes me.
If her goal was to receive praise on Russian television, then I guess she has succeeded.
anubisgrau
pfm Member
I doubt so, platform of her political group is dedicatedly anti-militaristic. she loudly and repeatedly condemned russian aggression, which gives her a right to express a slightly different views from western mainstream.
meanwhile paul krugman in NYT
"What strikes me — a parallel that for some reason I haven’t seen many people drawing — is the contrast between Germany’s current reluctance to make moderate sacrifices, even in the face of horrific war crimes, and the immense sacrifices Germany demanded of other countries during the European debt crisis a decade ago.
As some readers may remember, early last decade much of southern Europe faced a crisis as lending dried up, sending interest rates on government debt soaring. German officials were quick to blame these countries for their own plight, insisting, with much moralizing, that they were in trouble because they had been fiscally irresponsible and now needed to pay the price.
But while Germany was willing to impose economic and social catastrophe on countries it claimed had been irresponsible in their borrowing, it has been unwilling to impose far smaller costs on itself despite the undeniable irresponsibility of its past energy policies.
I’m not sure how to quantify this, but my sense is that Germany received far more and clearer warning about its feckless reliance on Russian gas than Greece ever did about its pre-crisis borrowing. Yet it seems as if Germany’s famous eagerness to treat economic policy as a morality play applies only to other countries."
meanwhile paul krugman in NYT
"What strikes me — a parallel that for some reason I haven’t seen many people drawing — is the contrast between Germany’s current reluctance to make moderate sacrifices, even in the face of horrific war crimes, and the immense sacrifices Germany demanded of other countries during the European debt crisis a decade ago.
As some readers may remember, early last decade much of southern Europe faced a crisis as lending dried up, sending interest rates on government debt soaring. German officials were quick to blame these countries for their own plight, insisting, with much moralizing, that they were in trouble because they had been fiscally irresponsible and now needed to pay the price.
But while Germany was willing to impose economic and social catastrophe on countries it claimed had been irresponsible in their borrowing, it has been unwilling to impose far smaller costs on itself despite the undeniable irresponsibility of its past energy policies.
I’m not sure how to quantify this, but my sense is that Germany received far more and clearer warning about its feckless reliance on Russian gas than Greece ever did about its pre-crisis borrowing. Yet it seems as if Germany’s famous eagerness to treat economic policy as a morality play applies only to other countries."
-alan-
pfm Member
She did.
https://www.joe.ie/news/clare-daly-russian-state-tv-745859
I think I may have posted this before, but worth doing it again to show the mindset and allegiances of the far left here:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/pol...ck-wallace-s-and-clare-daly-s-views-1.4610010
DimitryZ
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I think this a very good observation from that interview:
One thing that I’ve been curious about for a while is the Kremlin’s emphasis on the “denazification” of Ukraine. Does this line really resonate with the public?
That’s difficult to say. People are swallowing it, and they kind of buy this narrative. Are they really emotionally invested in denazifying Ukraine? I think that it might be true about the elderly generation.
What I find more disturbing is that this denazification narrative turns into an operational concept for the troops on the ground, and that’s very, very worrying. I mean, we already see what it leads to because once the troops perceive the situation as a battle against Nazis, they start doing what they were doing in Bucha. They were trying to purge, to purify, to clean the land from the Nazis. And since Ukrainians have resisted, it obviously implies that they, too, seem to be nazified. Therefore soldiers have to denazify them completely, meaning purges. And I don’t know if you had a chance to read it, but the main news agency, RIA Novosti, just published an article by Timofei Sergeitsev, who basically says precisely that, We were wrong about Ukrainians: They turned out to be much more nazified than we expected, and therefore they have to pay the price.
That is dangerous, once again, because it gets transferred into the operational concept on the ground. But it also infects Russian society because this kind of narrative becomes more and more acceptable. We heard about those crazy ideas, the ideas of the Nazis in Ukraine and Nazis in the government, but it never took such a terrible turn until now. It never was like, We have to purify the whole 40 million people near us. This is a Nazi vision of national purity, of attaining the purity of a whole nation through force.
Found this https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/?s=09 an interesting if long read.
How to evaluate it's accuracy is the question I'm left with...though some definitely resonates. CV of the author suggests the content is at least worth considering -
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Jacques Baud is a former colonel of the General Staff, ex-member of the Swiss strategic intelligence, specialist on Eastern countries. He was trained in the American and British intelligence services. He has served as Policy Chief for United Nations Peace Operations. As a UN expert on rule of law and security institutions, he designed and led the first multidimensional UN intelligence unit in the Sudan. He has worked for the African Union and was for 5 years responsible for the fight, at NATO, against the proliferation of small arms. He was involved in discussions with the highest Russian military and intelligence officials just after the fall of the USSR. Within NATO, he followed the 2014 Ukrainian crisis and later participated in programs to assist the Ukraine. He is the author of several books on intelligence, war and terrorism, in particular Le Détournement published by SIGEST, Gouverner par les fake news, L’affaire Navalny. His latest book is Poutine, maître du jeu? published by Max Milo.
This article appears through the gracious courtesy of Centre Français de Recherche sur le Renseignement, Paris.Translated from the French by N. Dass.
How to evaluate it's accuracy is the question I'm left with...though some definitely resonates. CV of the author suggests the content is at least worth considering -
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Jacques Baud is a former colonel of the General Staff, ex-member of the Swiss strategic intelligence, specialist on Eastern countries. He was trained in the American and British intelligence services. He has served as Policy Chief for United Nations Peace Operations. As a UN expert on rule of law and security institutions, he designed and led the first multidimensional UN intelligence unit in the Sudan. He has worked for the African Union and was for 5 years responsible for the fight, at NATO, against the proliferation of small arms. He was involved in discussions with the highest Russian military and intelligence officials just after the fall of the USSR. Within NATO, he followed the 2014 Ukrainian crisis and later participated in programs to assist the Ukraine. He is the author of several books on intelligence, war and terrorism, in particular Le Détournement published by SIGEST, Gouverner par les fake news, L’affaire Navalny. His latest book is Poutine, maître du jeu? published by Max Milo.
This article appears through the gracious courtesy of Centre Français de Recherche sur le Renseignement, Paris.Translated from the French by N. Dass.
Wilson
SCTV half wit
I think so. Russia's government is a centralized, authoritarian dictatorship; it is reactionary.
DimitryZ
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Please stop spreading Russian propaganda.
From Wikipedia:
Conspiracy
According to journalist Antoine Hasday, published by Conspiracy Watch , an interview with Jacques Baud given to RT France "ticks all the boxes for geopolitical conspiracy theories" [ 18 ] . The latter, sometimes invited by the traditional media, also intervened on the far-right web-television TV Libertés , as well as previously on RT France [ 18 ] . Interviewed on this last channel by Frédéric Taddeï in September 2020, he notably minimizes the human toll of the Darfur war, which he reduces to 2,500 dead (against 300,000 according to the UN) and denies the responsibility of theSyrian army in the massacres in Homs in 2011 and in the chemical attacks in Ghouta , Khan Sheikhoun and Douma between 2013 and 2018 [ 18 ] . Taking up the official arguments of the Syrian regime of Bashar el-Assad , he also asserts that the photographs taken by the military photographer " Caesar " are not those of political opponents who died under torture, but of soldiers of the Syrian army [ 18 ] . Jacques Baud also whitewashes Russia - considering that the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal was caused by "food poisoning" and that the poisoning of Alexei Navalny is probably "the work of the mafia" [ 18 ] .
DimitryZ
pfm Member
There is, I think.
Russian "Zigism" from one point of view is a historical farce - a circus clown version of the actual thing, 'except' the local mass murder/war crimes and horrific destruction. But in another light, it's even a more dangerous, as it has been largely ignored by the world and is backed up by the possibility of a nuclear holocaust.
Above is inarticulate - partially because of my own limitations, but also because this war shares elements of senseless cruelty and utter insanity - it literally makes no sense.
https://youtube.com/shorts/t1EKVAQm8ok?feature=share
No borscht for you!
TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
As anticipated, multiple eye witness accounts corroborating earlier reports of Russian actions are coming from civilians now in liberated areas of Ukraine. The early confiscation of mobile phones with even a picture of Russian armour enough to have the owner abducted and tortured and in a number of cases, executed . The looting of houses not just for food but the theft of consumer goods and other items like jewellery and valuables.
Interesting insights too into Russian morale- some who didnt know why they were there and not on their ‘training exercise’, others who told civilians they were there to free them from the Nazis and others who shot civilians dead simply for stepping outside for water or help or it would appear in some cases for sport.
One woman’s early account was compassionate, “they stank, their faces were dirty and they looked lost. I felt quite sorry for them”.
Interesting insights too into Russian morale- some who didnt know why they were there and not on their ‘training exercise’, others who told civilians they were there to free them from the Nazis and others who shot civilians dead simply for stepping outside for water or help or it would appear in some cases for sport.
One woman’s early account was compassionate, “they stank, their faces were dirty and they looked lost. I felt quite sorry for them”.
tonerei
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Wow you are scraping the barrel there. Moving from Chomsky to a mini left version of Farage with her side kick Mick Wallace former Celtic Tiger Builder developer.
If you are relying on Clare Daly to support your views you are on very thin ice. But I am glad you keep digging as the more you link the more desperately out of synch you appear. Of course in IMHO only.
MVV
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I don't know who Clare Daly is but I find myself agreeing with everything she said in that clip.
This also in Syria is particularly disturbing:
https://www.theguardian.com/global-...forced-into-survival-sex-in-syria-widow-camps
None of which diminishes the horrors of Ukraine but you have to wonder if our time on this planet is rightly up.
This also in Syria is particularly disturbing:
https://www.theguardian.com/global-...forced-into-survival-sex-in-syria-widow-camps
None of which diminishes the horrors of Ukraine but you have to wonder if our time on this planet is rightly up.
anubisgrau
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TheDecameron
Unicorns fart glitter.
“Fraser Nelson”
MVV
pfm Member
There is an odd duplicity in all of it. Short term I can't see any reason now why Russia can't just jack the price of gas and oil up. People are already struggling and we haven't seen the half of it. I've just ordered a new more efficient woodturner and will be buying as much wood as I can store over the summer while it is cheap.
anubisgrau
pfm Member
How much is the wood in the UK? How do they sell it, per ton or per cubic volume (m2 or whatever you use)? What wood?
Just curious, I use it too (mixed with electricity when deep minus).
Just curious, I use it too (mixed with electricity when deep minus).
paulfromcamden
Baffled
If the EU stop buying Russian oil and buy more from SA/UAE/etc but China/India/etc buys more oil from Russia and less from SA/UAE/etc what's the impact on Russia?
Not saying we should be buying Russian fossil fuels - only that I'm unsure what it ultimately achieves. I guess it might reduce the volumes they're able to shift but I'm not sure it's going to cripple the economy.
matthewr
spɹɐʍʞɔɐq spɹoɔǝɹ ɹnoʎ sʎɐld
Russia's war effort is entirely paid for by its oil and gas exports. It has no other significant way of earning the foreign currency it needs once it's reserves of currency, equipment and materials starts to dwindle.
Also as Krugman recently pointed out:
"What strikes me — a parallel that for some reason I haven’t seen many people drawing — is the contrast between Germany’s current reluctance to make moderate sacrifices, even in the face of horrific war crimes, and the immense sacrifices Germany demanded of other countries during the European debt crisis a decade ago.
As some readers may remember, early last decade much of southern Europe faced a crisis as lending dried up, sending interest rates on government debt soaring. German officials were quick to blame these countries for their own plight, insisting, with much moralizing, that they were in trouble because they had been fiscally irresponsible and now needed to pay the price."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/07/opinion/germany-russia-ukraine-energy.html
Also as Krugman recently pointed out:
"What strikes me — a parallel that for some reason I haven’t seen many people drawing — is the contrast between Germany’s current reluctance to make moderate sacrifices, even in the face of horrific war crimes, and the immense sacrifices Germany demanded of other countries during the European debt crisis a decade ago.
As some readers may remember, early last decade much of southern Europe faced a crisis as lending dried up, sending interest rates on government debt soaring. German officials were quick to blame these countries for their own plight, insisting, with much moralizing, that they were in trouble because they had been fiscally irresponsible and now needed to pay the price."
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/07/opinion/germany-russia-ukraine-energy.html
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