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Brexit: give me a positive effect... XIV

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According to a pharmaceutical industry spokesperson on Today there will be shortages and delays in the delivery of 'flu vaccines to GPs and φarmacies due to the lack of lorry drivers.

Farm livestock is having to be held back from slaughter and processing due to lack of transport and processing staff. This is causing huge problems for farmers, and leading to more meat being imported from Europe.

Everything is f*****.
 
Very interesting piece by Parris in the Times, worth a look.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d382eb04-0ce7-11ec-9503-f24d9e0411ae

The conceit is that so far, the fall out from Brexit is far more in tune to what the Left Lexit groups from Foot, Benn and Corbyn would have been hoping for than anything the Tory ERG nutters had in mind. A flavour....


"In the years since 1983, the socialist logic against membership has only strengthened. With the coming of the single market, EU restraints on state subsidy became tougher and, in Marxist terms, the bargaining power of labour against capital was undermined by the free migration of cheap labour, skilled and unskilled. Part of the burden of training and investment in the domestic workforce was lifted. Though some surveys have suggested otherwise, common sense insists that wage increases must have been suppressed in the care and healthcare sector, the catering and food industries, agriculture, and the building, decorating, plumbing and electrical trades."

The right’s post-Brexit dream could hardly have been more different. It was for a bonfire of controls, and of a Britain walking tall in a globalised world and striking great new trade deals around the planet. “Cut the EU red tape choking Britain after Brexit to set the country free from the shackles of Brussels” was a Daily Telegraph headline in 2017. As foreign secretary, Boris Johnson (the Financial Times reported) would tell EU diplomats of his vision of making Britain a low-tax, lightly regulated, “buccaneering” country.

The 2019 Tory manifesto enthused about the “new freedoms” our economy would enjoy. Later that year Johnson foresaw us “exploding out of” EU restraints, and “breaking our shackles” like “the Incredible Hulk”. In February 2020 the foreign secretary, Dominic Raab, described the “global Britain” we would become, liberated to make our own trade deals.

Nor was the right’s vision purely economic. Uncle Sam would be by our side as we walked tall. Freed from an EU that Tory Brexiteers deplored as anti-American, we could deepen our special transatlantic relationship with our English-speaking cousins.

These rival visions — socialist freedom to move left versus Tory freedom to move right — were diametrically opposed. But because they agreed on the one thing that in the heat of the 2016 referendum seemed to matter — whether to leave — few seemed to care that this was only first base."
 
With all the catastrophes listed above by the usual boring suspects, it's peculiar that the UK has maintained its economic position in the world. Why haven't EU countries just below UK surpassed it, please? Sending UK into, say 10th position. Ok 8th, I'll be reasonable.

https://www.pwc.com/gx/en/research-insights/economy/global-economy-watch/predictions-2021.html
https://cebr.com/reports/the-times-...nomy-in-world-again-after-leapfrogging-india/
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk...utside-eu-than-bloc-gap-narrowing-2021-07-09/
https://www.pwc.co.uk/who-we-are/regional-sites/northern-ireland/press-releases/world-in-2050.html


Seems you all keep picking rather narrow, Guardianesque little snippets of misery, whilst completely ignoring the global picture. This article focusses on China and India, giving a tiny paragraph someway down, admitting that the UK is in fact expected to maintain its position in 2025 with the exception of India overtaking.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...orlds-biggest-economy-by-2028-report-predicts

The big story in that report is that the UK is expected to maintain its global economic positon. But the Guardian and its readership don't want it. They (ie most of you on pfm) want to read about the misery, want the UK to fail so you can say told you so.
 
richardg said:
With all the catastrophes listed above by the usual boring suspects, it's peculiar that the UK has maintained its economic position in the world. Why haven't EU countries just below UK surpassed it, please? Sending UK into, say 10th position. Ok 8th, I'll be reasonable.

https://www.pwc.com/gx/en/research-insights/economy/global-economy-watch/predictions-2021.html
https://cebr.com/reports/the-times-...nomy-in-world-again-after-leapfrogging-india/
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk...utside-eu-than-bloc-gap-narrowing-2021-07-09/
https://www.pwc.co.uk/who-we-are/regional-sites/northern-ireland/press-releases/world-in-2050.html


Seems you all keep picking rather narrow, Guardianesque little snippets of misery, whilst completely ignoring the global picture. This article focusses on China and India, giving a tiny paragraph someway down, admitting that the UK is in fact expected to maintain its position in 2025 with the exception of India overtaking.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...orlds-biggest-economy-by-2028-report-predicts

The big story in that report is that the UK is expected to maintain its global economic positon. But the Guardian and its readership don't want it. They (ie most of you on pfm) want to read about the misery, want the UK to fail so you can say told you so.
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Those figures depend on the pound staying at a high level, it’s difficult to see how you can have an advanced economy with a strong exchange rate given the poor levels of R&D investment, training, automation resulting in the low levels of productivity compared to the UKs peer competitors. FDI has halved since Brexit for example.
 
richardg said:
With all the catastrophes listed above by the usual boring suspects, it's peculiar that the UK has maintained its economic position in the world. Why haven't EU countries just below UK surpassed it, please? Sending UK into, say 10th position. Ok 8th, I'll be reasonable.

https://www.pwc.com/gx/en/research-insights/economy/global-economy-watch/predictions-2021.html
https://cebr.com/reports/the-times-...nomy-in-world-again-after-leapfrogging-india/
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk...utside-eu-than-bloc-gap-narrowing-2021-07-09/
https://www.pwc.co.uk/who-we-are/regional-sites/northern-ireland/press-releases/world-in-2050.html


Seems you all keep picking rather narrow, Guardianesque little snippets of misery, whilst completely ignoring the global picture. This article focusses on China and India, giving a tiny paragraph someway down, admitting that the UK is in fact expected to maintain its position in 2025 with the exception of India overtaking.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...orlds-biggest-economy-by-2028-report-predicts

The big story in that report is that the UK is expected to maintain its global economic positon. But the Guardian and its readership don't want it. They (ie most of you on pfm) want to read about the misery, want the UK to fail so you can say told you so.
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I just want proper food back on the shelves. No McVities DIgestives in Sainsburys's again yesterday. O tempora, o mores!
 
richardg said:
With all the catastrophes listed above by the usual boring suspects, it's peculiar that the UK has maintained its economic position in the world. Why haven't EU countries just below UK surpassed it, please? Sending UK into, say 10th position. Ok 8th, I'll be reasonable.

https://www.pwc.com/gx/en/research-insights/economy/global-economy-watch/predictions-2021.html
https://cebr.com/reports/the-times-...nomy-in-world-again-after-leapfrogging-india/
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk...utside-eu-than-bloc-gap-narrowing-2021-07-09/
https://www.pwc.co.uk/who-we-are/regional-sites/northern-ireland/press-releases/world-in-2050.html


Seems you all keep picking rather narrow, Guardianesque little snippets of misery, whilst completely ignoring the global picture. This article focusses on China and India, giving a tiny paragraph someway down, admitting that the UK is in fact expected to maintain its position in 2025 with the exception of India overtaking.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...orlds-biggest-economy-by-2028-report-predicts

The big story in that report is that the UK is expected to maintain its global economic positon. But the Guardian and its readership don't want it. They (ie most of you on pfm) want to read about the misery, want the UK to fail so you can say told you so.
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Far from it, what you've picked is more observations of growth from a crushingly low base. The response is - you'd rather hope so wouldn't you? The UK is not in good shape and "you are talking the country down" bollocks when the harm is self inflicted, doesn't cut it. Nor does "it's not as bad as the worst predictions" - it was meant to be sunlit uplands and no down sides. We were being held back, remember?
 
SteveS1 said:

The 2019 Tory manifesto enthused about the “new freedoms” our economy would enjoy. Later that year Johnson foresaw us “exploding out of” EU restraints, and “breaking our shackles” like “the Incredible Hulk”.
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The Incredible Hulk had his shackles unlocked then promptly caught M.E. He’s currently on a long term sick line from the doctor.
 
SteveS1 said:
Far from it, what you've picked is more observations of growth from a crushingly low base. The response is - you'd rather hope so wouldn't you? The UK is not in good shape and "you are talking the country down" bollocks when the harm is self inflicted, doesn't cut it. Nor does "it's not as bad as the worst predictions" - it was meant to be sunlit uplands and no down sides. We were being held back, remember?
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Positive thinking and a bit more patriotism will get us out of this EU-inflicted mess. Boris has declared war in the Doomsters and the Gloomsters. Nigel Farage should be given a seat in the Lords and brought into government to deal with the EU and these malingerers. It’s they who are holding Britain back.
 
richardg said:
With all the catastrophes listed above by the usual boring suspects, it's peculiar that the UK has maintained its economic position in the world. Why haven't EU countries just below UK surpassed it, please? Sending UK into, say 10th position. Ok 8th, I'll be reasonable.

https://www.pwc.com/gx/en/research-insights/economy/global-economy-watch/predictions-2021.html
https://cebr.com/reports/the-times-...nomy-in-world-again-after-leapfrogging-india/
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk...utside-eu-than-bloc-gap-narrowing-2021-07-09/
https://www.pwc.co.uk/who-we-are/regional-sites/northern-ireland/press-releases/world-in-2050.html


Seems you all keep picking rather narrow, Guardianesque little snippets of misery, whilst completely ignoring the global picture. This article focusses on China and India, giving a tiny paragraph someway down, admitting that the UK is in fact expected to maintain its position in 2025 with the exception of India overtaking.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...orlds-biggest-economy-by-2028-report-predicts

The big story in that report is that the UK is expected to maintain its global economic positon. But the Guardian and its readership don't want it. They (ie most of you on pfm) want to read about the misery, want the UK to fail so you can say told you so.
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God your light on facts and detail. 2Billion hit on food exports to the EU for one quarter from an annual total that would normally be 14.3B o_O If you call that a narrow snippet of misery I wouldn't be inclined to put much faith or trust in your opinions.

UK and France are neck and neck and have been for many years and from memory I believe France has closed the gap. After that you have Italy and Brazil who are well behind the UK so not much chance of a quick change in positions there.

The first graph on the linked reports shows the UK having the sharpest drop in GDP. That is the reality. The rest of the stuff you trumpet on about is predictions. Maybe they will come true but maybe wait till the facts come out.

But you are a brexity man so lots of non joining dots and bull and bluster shouted from the roof tops working on the principle that noise drowns out reality.

Try and remember that the remainers have always pointed out that both sides will be losers in a hard Brexit. That is clearly playing out.
 
TheDecameron said:
Positive thinking and a bit more patriotism will get us out of this EU-inflicted mess. Boris has declared war in the Doomsters and the Gloomsters. Nigel Farage should be given a seat in the Lords and brought into government to deal with the EU and these malingerers. It’s they who are holding Britain back.
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You forget to mention Tommy Robinson. You're losing your touch.
 
GDP per capita is more relevant to John Smith.
And GDP per capita ppp (purchasing power parity) is an even better measure. Wiki has the UK in 37th place.
 
richardg said:
With all the catastrophes listed above by the usual boring suspects, it's peculiar that the UK has maintained its economic position in the world. Why haven't EU countries just below UK surpassed it, please? Sending UK into, say 10th position. Ok 8th, I'll be reasonable.

https://www.pwc.com/gx/en/research-insights/economy/global-economy-watch/predictions-2021.html
https://cebr.com/reports/the-times-...nomy-in-world-again-after-leapfrogging-india/
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk...utside-eu-than-bloc-gap-narrowing-2021-07-09/
https://www.pwc.co.uk/who-we-are/regional-sites/northern-ireland/press-releases/world-in-2050.html


Seems you all keep picking rather narrow, Guardianesque little snippets of misery, whilst completely ignoring the global picture. This article focusses on China and India, giving a tiny paragraph someway down, admitting that the UK is in fact expected to maintain its position in 2025 with the exception of India overtaking.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...orlds-biggest-economy-by-2028-report-predicts

The big story in that report is that the UK is expected to maintain its global economic positon. But the Guardian and its readership don't want it. They (ie most of you on pfm) want to read about the misery, want the UK to fail so you can say told you so.
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That is propaganda worthy of Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf.

In truth, Brexit Britain is a barely functioning banana republic...

… albeit one with a severe shortage of bananas.
 
richardg said:
Germany no: France always. They don't seem to have their shit together as much as UK and Germany.
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I've just returned from France and there were no signs of shortages unlike here. The supermarkets there were very well stocked. There have been empty shelves for many lines in both Waitrose and Tesco locally for weeks.
 
SteveS1 said:
I've just returned from France and there were no signs of shortages unlike here. The supermarkets there were very well stocked. There have been empty shelves for many lines in both Waitrose and Tesco locally for weeks.
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I am in both countries every day, have been for 4 years. Your opinion means nothing.
 
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