TheDecameron
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Brexit: give me a positive effect... XII
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Sue Pertwee-Tyr
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I don't think EV is a troll, though I do think there are Brexitiers who do troll this and similar threads.
I do wonder how many times we have to have a(nother) thumping Conservative victory in places like Grimsby and Sedgefield before the Labour party and its supporters realise that the "Will of the People" didn't stop in 2016 and the mood of the public has been expressed. Again.
They can carry on "winning the argument" or they can get elected. Time to choose between being a campaign group and a party of government.
david ellwood
Kirabosi Kognoscente
Its not really Brexit related but the Cornish Lithium deposits are likely to have a knock on effect on future E-Car production at Swindon
https://www.mining.com/cornish-lithium-finds-globally-significant-grades-in-uk-project/
https://www.mining.com/cornish-lithium-finds-globally-significant-grades-in-uk-project/
It's interesting he uses Germany as an example. As an Anglophile, he is probably aware of the Englishman's innate fear of all things German (except BMWs), and in particular any sign of plucky little England being subjugated by, or worse surrendering to, Germany.
TheDecameron
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The difficulty for EV is that his gold nuggets are surrounded by posts from two de facto trolls called out by numerous members. One who conceals and switches his own position while repeatedly misrepresenting the position of others, either through cluelessness or design, it’s hard to tell - but trolling in the classic style. The other goes in for headless chicken posting, where the foot will randomly stamp on the Google numbers button- anything in fact in order to cling on. Then from very different places, all three will periodically concur with one another.
JimmyB
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Have Labour got anyone up their sleeves after Starmer who could get a win for them or do we have to wait for the cult of Boris to die down? With Boris gone would The North vote for Sunak?
TheDecameron
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It’s a running theme for the Brexit movement- it crops up in posts here and it comes out of the mouths of Tory and UKIP/Brexit company politicians and the Daily Mail. It’s very real and at times right in your face.
It demeans this country.
Sue Pertwee-Tyr
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This Englishman has no innate fear of Germany, nor do any of my friends and acquaintances. As an Anglophile, I rather suspect Barnier knows we like and respect Germany, except for a rump of people who have, unfortunately, somehow siezed the levers of power.
tonerei
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Good piece on Prime Time last night about Scotland and the upcoming election. Food parcels featured and it sort of shocked me as the people collecting it seemed very ordinary and down to earth. Not what you would expect to see.
Regardless of how bad things are I don't think there is enough support for a referendum on leaving the union. Maybe in 5 yrs the numbers might have moved enough.
I don't know. I don't think that they have. I don't think that the North would vote for Sunak, regardless of his policies and talents he's the wrong colour. I don't want it to be true, but it's an observed fact here. Of course we all know that Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, born in NYC, is a pure bred Brit. Course he is, with a name like that.
We have to remember that the last Labour victory over a sitting Conservative government was 1997 and Blair. Whatever his shortcomings and subsequent poor decisions, he gave the voters what they wanted. He got re-elected after all, twice. He never offered the traditional left option, it was Tory-lite. We all remember. Whether you or I want that is immaterial, the voters went for it over the continued John Major option. They got elected. If they hadn't, we'd have had more John Major. So it comes down to ideology or pragmatism. You can win all the arguments you like, if the other lot are in government then they get to do what they want. You'll hold the moral high ground, but you'll get none of what you want. Alternatively you can compromise some ideology in order to make the sale and get at least *some* of what you'd ideally like. Time to choose, Mr Starmer.
It's unfortunately been a long running theme, particularly on the left of the party which seems more interested in protest than power.
tonerei
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Not including you in that description EV. Sometimes you maybe borderline but you are correct you certainly don't disappear. I would question the volume of deflective content though
Agree also re troll I don't like using it but it really fits the bill for some here.
tonerei
pfm Member
To be fair it all resonates very accurately with what most of the sensible people saw being played out. What is shocking and reflective of the election result the English people broadly support this behaviour and modus operandi.
tonerei
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I looked at it differently. A French national extoling the skills of Germany and recognizing their ability to thrive industrially even in the hell hole of the EU.
PsB
Citizen of Nowhere™
Yes, that Lancaster House speech was where the rot became fully apparent. Until then it would have been possible for the UK to leave the EU while preserving a lot of the benefits (trading etc.) Almost everything since has been a consequence of that desperate attempt to placate the hardliners, with the rest explained by BoJo's deep need to become PM.
TheDecameron
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Scotland will return a pro- independence government tomorrow ( SNP outright majority or SNP+Green), no question. I firmly believe the referendum has to be timed correctly, the ground prepared for voters.
tonerei
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She would play it exactly the same if given the chance. One trick pony with one agenda.
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