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Sorry @ff1d1l - I am trying very hard to not make this personal, because - it really, really is not.

My two posts above are not even politically motivated - quite the opposite!

Those two posts above are entirely about sensible vs senseless engagement with the themes under discussion, being answerable for one's opinions posted, the recurrent issue of @Colin Barron ( amongst few others) not ever supporting by discourse their own expressed drive-by blurts - let alone answering criticisms received, and the nature generally - of behaving like a useful contributor to discussion rather than an utter dissembling leech upon it, specialising as a bug-f*ck-loco interjectionist.

That is all.
 
It gives a clue to the whole ukipper/ Britain First/ Brexit narrative, even if the content dropped here is carefully manicured shall we say. Take a look at the UKIP YouTube link posted a while ago ( if it’s still there)- two clicks laterally and you are through the Batten door into Tommy Yaxley Criminal territory. The other insight I got was their ( including the one who posts on here) morbid interest in Scotland, where they have no political traction. I’ve still to find out quite what’s underneath that but I don’t have the appetite to open any more of their YouTube videos- I’d need to have a shower afterwards.
Brexit is a jumping off point for something and we’re about to get a good whiff of it in the not too distant future. Farage is already pointing the way. Like his friend Trump, he’s not going to go away.
 
Brexit is a jumping off point for something and we’re about to get a good whiff of it in the not too distant future.

yes, i agree. However I think that some of the proponents posting on here are not smart enough to work out what and are simply regurgitating the content they read elsewhere without any clue as to what it means and where it might lead.
 
It gives a clue to the whole ukipper/ Britain First/ Brexit narrative, even if the content dropped here is carefully manicured shall we say. Take a look at the UKIP YouTube link posted a while ago ( if it’s still there)- two clicks laterally and you are through the Batten door into Tommy Yaxley Criminal territory. The other insight I got was their ( including the one who posts on here) morbid interest in Scotland, where they have no political traction. I’ve still to find out quite what’s underneath that but I don’t have the appetite to open any more of their YouTube videos- I’d need to have a shower afterwards.
Brexit is a jumping off point for something and we’re about to get a good whiff of it in the not too distant future. Farage is already pointing the way. Like his friend Trump, he’s not going to go away.

Do you keep your shoes on in the shower, or do you deal with that issue digitally?
 
Let's just remind ourselves how it's going. Perhaps "some fruits in ten years" wouldn't have made such a nice red bus slogan. Matthew Parris in the Times, of course he had the temerity to predict much of this and can be safely disregarded.

"So now for the reality.

It is almost possible to feel sorry for the apostles of a new post-EU world. They have shrunk from glad proclaimers to a kind of tetchy defensiveness about their project: from “it’s going to be even better than we dreamt” (circa 2016) to “it’s nothing like as bad as you say” (circa 2021). Yes, happily, it’s true that on vaccine-purchase we’ve done well outside the EU but we’d have been free to do the same from within it.

Brexiteers will be irritated that this column should even raise the question of whether Brexit is working. “Too early to pronounce,” they will say, uncomfortably aware that early signs are troubling. So their talk instead is of “teething problems”, of “glitches” to be “ironed out”, of merely short-term bureaucratic problems. As the foreign secretary asks British business to look ahead ten years for the fruits of Brexit, a whole decade is slipped quietly into the prospectus.
My Times colleague James Dean pointed out on Thursday that many exporters are preoccupied with survival through 2021, not sunshine in 2031.

When you do bring Brexiteers to focus on the here and now they dismiss the anxious mood as being all bound up with the pandemic. The opposite is true. Lockdown has given Brexit a breathing space to settle down, out of the spotlight. The signs are that it is not settling well. British fishing has been absolutely clobbered. Exporting and importing goods has become a headache. Financial services have been left out in the cold, and only a warm and co-operative future relationship with the EU could bring the City better access, yet ministers seem set on aggravating tensions.

An alarming example of this is the Northern Ireland border issue. The Democratic Unionist Party (with a little help from criminal threats by loyalist ultras) seems set on reneging on the protocol Britain signed. And Downing Street’s response? Suspending border checks until 2023 is a preposterous proposal, which (we must know) Brussels will see as a provocation.

Ursula von der Leyen’s foolish proposal (fast withdrawn) to block EU vaccine exports into Northern Ireland presented us with an opportunity to defuse tension. Instead, the appointment this week of Lord Frost as EU relations minister hits any hopes of nurturing a co-operative relationship with the EU. We need a diplomat, not a nightclub bouncer."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexits-sunlit-uplands-have-soon-vanished-tgkq078mm
 
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Let's just remind ourselves how it's going Perhaps "some fruits in ten years" wouldn't have made such a nice red bus slogan. Matthew Parris in the Times, of course he had the temerity to predict much of this and can be safely disregarded.

"So now for the reality.

It is almost possible to feel sorry for the apostles of a new post-EU world. They have shrunk from glad proclaimers to a kind of tetchy defensiveness about their project: from “it’s going to be even better than we dreamt” (circa 2016) to “it’s nothing like as bad as you say” (circa 2021). Yes, happily, it’s true that on vaccine-purchase we’ve done well outside the EU but we’d have been free to do the same from within it.

Brexiteers will be irritated that this column should even raise the question of whether Brexit is working. “Too early to pronounce,” they will say, uncomfortably aware that early signs are troubling. So their talk instead is of “teething problems”, of “glitches” to be “ironed out”, of merely short-term bureaucratic problems. As the foreign secretary asks British business to look ahead ten years for the fruits of Brexit, a whole decade is slipped quietly into the prospectus.
My Times colleague James Dean pointed out on Thursday that many exporters are preoccupied with survival through 2021, not sunshine in 2031.

When you do bring Brexiteers to focus on the here and now they dismiss the anxious mood as being all bound up with the pandemic. The opposite is true. Lockdown has given Brexit a breathing space to settle down, out of the spotlight. The signs are that it is not settling well. British fishing has been absolutely clobbered. Exporting and importing goods has become a headache. Financial services have been left out in the cold, and only a warm and co-operative future relationship with the EU could bring the City better access, yet ministers seem set on aggravating tensions.

An alarming example of this is the Northern Ireland border issue. The Democratic Unionist Party (with a little help from criminal threats by loyalist ultras) seems set on reneging on the protocol Britain signed. And Downing Street’s response? Suspending border checks until 2023 is a preposterous proposal, which (we must know) Brussels will see as a provocation.

Ursula von der Leyen’s foolish proposal (fast withdrawn) to block EU vaccine exports into Northern Ireland presented us with an opportunity to defuse tension. Instead, the appointment this week of Lord Frost as EU relations minister hits any hopes of nurturing a co-operative relationship with the EU. We need a diplomat, not a nightclub bouncer."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexits-sunlit-uplands-have-soon-vanished-tgkq078mm
a kind of tetchy defensiveness... can't think of anyone on here that might refer to.
 
Let's just remind ourselves how it's going Perhaps "some fruits in ten years" wouldn't have made such a nice red bus slogan. Matthew Parris in the Times, of course he had the temerity to predict much of this and can be safely disregarded.

"So now for the reality.

It is almost possible to feel sorry for the apostles of a new post-EU world. They have shrunk from glad proclaimers to a kind of tetchy defensiveness about their project: from “it’s going to be even better than we dreamt” (circa 2016) to “it’s nothing like as bad as you say” (circa 2021). Yes, happily, it’s true that on vaccine-purchase we’ve done well outside the EU but we’d have been free to do the same from within it.

Brexiteers will be irritated that this column should even raise the question of whether Brexit is working. “Too early to pronounce,” they will say, uncomfortably aware that early signs are troubling. So their talk instead is of “teething problems”, of “glitches” to be “ironed out”, of merely short-term bureaucratic problems. As the foreign secretary asks British business to look ahead ten years for the fruits of Brexit, a whole decade is slipped quietly into the prospectus.
My Times colleague James Dean pointed out on Thursday that many exporters are preoccupied with survival through 2021, not sunshine in 2031.

When you do bring Brexiteers to focus on the here and now they dismiss the anxious mood as being all bound up with the pandemic. The opposite is true. Lockdown has given Brexit a breathing space to settle down, out of the spotlight. The signs are that it is not settling well. British fishing has been absolutely clobbered. Exporting and importing goods has become a headache. Financial services have been left out in the cold, and only a warm and co-operative future relationship with the EU could bring the City better access, yet ministers seem set on aggravating tensions.

An alarming example of this is the Northern Ireland border issue. The Democratic Unionist Party (with a little help from criminal threats by loyalist ultras) seems set on reneging on the protocol Britain signed. And Downing Street’s response? Suspending border checks until 2023 is a preposterous proposal, which (we must know) Brussels will see as a provocation.

Ursula von der Leyen’s foolish proposal (fast withdrawn) to block EU vaccine exports into Northern Ireland presented us with an opportunity to defuse tension. Instead, the appointment this week of Lord Frost as EU relations minister hits any hopes of nurturing a co-operative relationship with the EU. We need a diplomat, not a nightclub bouncer."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexits-sunlit-uplands-have-soon-vanished-tgkq078mm

Covid is masking the damage from Brexit and as predicted four years ago, N.Ireland will blow up. Had the border been on land between the two parts of the island, Republican paramilitary action would have recurred and with the border as its now placed, it appears Loyalist sabotage is the prevailing threat.
Johnson in his characteristic style will place responsibility for renegotiation of the Protocol on the corpulent Frost’s shoulders but he will get no substantial concessions from Brussels. Maybe a window dressing joint declaration but border there will be.
 
One good reason why the rest of the UK should have a vote is security. An independent Scotland could become a Chinese colony as the free spending SNP sell off and lease back assets to reduce the deficit in a bid to rejoin the EU, if it still exists.
 
Let's just remind ourselves how it's going Perhaps "some fruits in ten years" wouldn't have made such a nice red bus slogan. Matthew Parris in the Times, of course he had the temerity to predict much of this and can be safely disregarded.

"So now for the reality.

It is almost possible to feel sorry for the apostles of a new post-EU world. They have shrunk from glad proclaimers to a kind of tetchy defensiveness about their project: from “it’s going to be even better than we dreamt” (circa 2016) to “it’s nothing like as bad as you say” (circa 2021). Yes, happily, it’s true that on vaccine-purchase we’ve done well outside the EU but we’d have been free to do the same from within it.

Brexiteers will be irritated that this column should even raise the question of whether Brexit is working. “Too early to pronounce,” they will say, uncomfortably aware that early signs are troubling. So their talk instead is of “teething problems”, of “glitches” to be “ironed out”, of merely short-term bureaucratic problems. As the foreign secretary asks British business to look ahead ten years for the fruits of Brexit, a whole decade is slipped quietly into the prospectus.
My Times colleague James Dean pointed out on Thursday that many exporters are preoccupied with survival through 2021, not sunshine in 2031.

When you do bring Brexiteers to focus on the here and now they dismiss the anxious mood as being all bound up with the pandemic. The opposite is true. Lockdown has given Brexit a breathing space to settle down, out of the spotlight. The signs are that it is not settling well. British fishing has been absolutely clobbered. Exporting and importing goods has become a headache. Financial services have been left out in the cold, and only a warm and co-operative future relationship with the EU could bring the City better access, yet ministers seem set on aggravating tensions.

An alarming example of this is the Northern Ireland border issue. The Democratic Unionist Party (with a little help from criminal threats by loyalist ultras) seems set on reneging on the protocol Britain signed. And Downing Street’s response? Suspending border checks until 2023 is a preposterous proposal, which (we must know) Brussels will see as a provocation.

Ursula von der Leyen’s foolish proposal (fast withdrawn) to block EU vaccine exports into Northern Ireland presented us with an opportunity to defuse tension. Instead, the appointment this week of Lord Frost as EU relations minister hits any hopes of nurturing a co-operative relationship with the EU. We need a diplomat, not a nightclub bouncer."

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexits-sunlit-uplands-have-soon-vanished-tgkq078mm
Does it not make sense to have Michael and Frosty continue where they left off?
 
One good reason why the rest of the UK should have a vote is security. An independent Scotland could become a Chinese colony as the free spending SNP sell off and lease back assets to reduce the deficit in a bid to rejoin the EU, if it still exists.
Does it not make sense to have Michael and Frosty continue where they left off?
Substantial guano deposits. Origin bats.
 
One good reason why the rest of the UK should have a vote is security. An independent Scotland could become a Chinese colony as the free spending SNP sell off and lease back assets to reduce the deficit in a bid to rejoin the EU, if it still exists.

You are Gerald Batten and I claim my 5 pounds!
 
You are Gerald Batten and I claim my 5 pounds!
Make sure it’s the proper ones,

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That way you can buy the little Britain paranoia DVDs
 
Let's just remind ourselves how it's going. Perhaps "some fruits in ten years" wouldn't have made such a nice red bus slogan. Matthew Parris in the Times, of course he had the temerity to predict much of this and can be safely disregarded.
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This country has given up on trying to sell longer term politics to the populace.
The standard campaign mode is to pretend that voters can have the moon on a stick.
So why should we single out the Brexit referendum?
The only job for campaigners is to try and ensure their side wins. Coming second doesn't cut it.
 
This country has given up on trying to sell longer term politics to the populace.
The standard campaign mode is to pretend that voters can have the moon on a stick.
So why should we single out the Brexit referendum?
The only job for campaigners is to try and ensure their side wins. Coming second doesn't cut it.
You blame the electorate for this?
 
You blame the electorate for this?
IMO, of course...
I think it really changed when Blair and Millbrook came along.
They adopted targeted campaigning driven by data in a big way.
Politics was the product and campaigning became marketing of the product.
I can't really "blame" voters for choosing the result I sought, can I?
Do you blame the voters?
 
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